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re: Public waterfowl hearing Jefferson Parish (Updated with notes in OP)
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:06 pm to Da Hammer
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:06 pm to Da Hammer
how are they conducting the bag studies? birds per hunter or total birds? If total birds, I know plenty of people that will only hunt the first two weeks and never again.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:07 pm to Da Hammer
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that and the fact we as a result force our kids to choose between Trick or treating or youth hunt which my kids literally cried over when they found out.
Im a big proponent of the youth hunts, this really is an issue. Trick or treat at the camp I guess.
You're right, it could be a big teal shoot for a lot of people, BUT could also be a lot of other early arrivers like grays and pins for many as well. Grand Chenier usually has a fair many grays, as does Delacroix on the other side. Last year, by Nov 10 or so, there was a train load of grays down in the SE la marshes. Even so, many still shoot teal on opening day since they're easier to work in than big ducks with all the shooting going on.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:08 pm to maisweh
I always calculate my birds at birds per hunter per hunt
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:10 pm to Lreynolds
Larry,
thanks for your input as always. I am not surprised by the crowd that you are talking about, and without naming names I could probably tell you exactly who a few of them are and half probably hunt Wallace lake. There is a reason a lot of people from Shreveport myself included travel to TX, ARK, NE LA, or the marsh to consistently have good hunts. Some of these local lakes were great spots to kill ducks (a couple of good public blinds still exist) back in the 80's and 90's even. I think habitat changes, pressure, and salvinia are working against the lake hunters these days.
It will be interesting to see what kind of framework gets worked out that can be agreed upon by many of these people. Some of these guys would really be complaining if we went back to 30 and 3.
thanks for your input as always. I am not surprised by the crowd that you are talking about, and without naming names I could probably tell you exactly who a few of them are and half probably hunt Wallace lake. There is a reason a lot of people from Shreveport myself included travel to TX, ARK, NE LA, or the marsh to consistently have good hunts. Some of these local lakes were great spots to kill ducks (a couple of good public blinds still exist) back in the 80's and 90's even. I think habitat changes, pressure, and salvinia are working against the lake hunters these days.
It will be interesting to see what kind of framework gets worked out that can be agreed upon by many of these people. Some of these guys would really be complaining if we went back to 30 and 3.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:27 pm to maisweh
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how are they conducting the bag studies? birds per hunter or total birds? If total birds, I know plenty of people that will only hunt the first two weeks and never again.
The main studies used in the presentation were total birds killed. However Larry had access to per bird/hunter and that tails off at the end of the year also which surprised me as my numbers/effort are very good first week then tail off and build up until the season ends.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:41 pm to Da Hammer
Here are the federal harvest data for the old West Zone divided into 3 regions using 10 years of harvest data when we had consistent season dates (second Sat. in Nov. for 3 weeks, 12-day split, rest of the season closing 1 week before the end of the framework).
This shows the % of the season kill taken in each week of the season, and is the total kill.
This is statewide data over 10 years showing the average daily bag for every day of the season. This is ducks/hunter and shows the declining duck/hunter kill throughout the season.
This shows the % of the season kill taken in each week of the season, and is the total kill.
This is statewide data over 10 years showing the average daily bag for every day of the season. This is ducks/hunter and shows the declining duck/hunter kill throughout the season.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:46 pm to Lreynolds
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This is ducks/hunter and shows the declining duck/hunter kill throughout the season.
I'm going to go ahead and say it.
A whole hell of a lot of people have not the slightest clue how to hunt late season ducks.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:49 pm to 34venture
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I'm going to go ahead and say it. A whole hell of a lot of people have not the slightest clue how to hunt late season ducks.
you mean I cant post up in the middle of a pond, with 6 robos blowing hail calls at every little thing ?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:23 pm to 34venture
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quote:This is ducks/hunter and shows the declining duck/hunter kill throughout the season. I'm going to go ahead and say it. A whole hell of a lot of people have not the slightest clue how to hunt late season ducks.
Sure there is a small contingent that knows how to (9 mojos a must ), but overall harvest for that same period is still low because only that small group is putting beaks on the strap. Whereas in early season, the pro's and the Duck Commanders are all strapping uneducated birds. So you still have a late season scenario with only a few birds being killed, collectively. That said, for some that might mean their quality is on the incline as they might be stacking late arriving mallards vs. teal and grays earlier on.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 3:30 pm to Tigah D
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Sure there is a small contingent that knows how to (9 mojos a must ), but overall harvest for that same period is still low because only that small group is putting beaks on the strap. Whereas in early season, the pro's and the Duck Commanders are all strapping uneducated birds. So you still have a late season scenario with only a few birds being killed, collectively. That said, for some that might mean their quality is on the incline as they might be stacking late arriving mallards vs. teal and grays earlier on.
That seems to be my experience as well. A lot of the hunters will go to the house especially after Christmas. If we get a good cold snap in January the hunter numbers fall even further. Mallards start becoming a bigger portion of the strap mid December for us and increase through January. Last year was unusual in that we killed full limits of mallards as early as before Thanksgiving. I would wager hunter effort is much lower in the last 3-4 weeks of the season with people heading back to work after what can be a slow December for many too.
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