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re: Proposed LA H/F License Increases
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:33 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:33 pm to Cowboyfan89
The LDWF must generate it's own source of funding. Hence licenses and fees. The state legislature doesn't give the LDWF a dependent revenue stream.
It all goes back to the Pittman-Robertson act. it's a hidden federal excise tax on all new hunting equipment. The USFWS collects the monies, and returns a portion to the states based upon the number of licenses sold. Louisiana must continue to show a high number of licenses sold, in order to get a bigger share.
That's why you see them revamping licenses, especially coming up with new licenses required by sportsmen. Seniors used to be able to hunt free using their drivers license, now must buy a senior license.
Doing away with lifetime license, means locals buying more licenses each year, plus the LDWF can raise their costs as well. Basic hunting, big game, archery, primitive weapon, state duck stamp, wild turkey, WMA permits,etc.
Making hunters buy all those each year brings in more local monies, plus a bigger share of the Pittman-Robertson funds.
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It all goes back to the Pittman-Robertson act. it's a hidden federal excise tax on all new hunting equipment. The USFWS collects the monies, and returns a portion to the states based upon the number of licenses sold. Louisiana must continue to show a high number of licenses sold, in order to get a bigger share.
That's why you see them revamping licenses, especially coming up with new licenses required by sportsmen. Seniors used to be able to hunt free using their drivers license, now must buy a senior license.
Doing away with lifetime license, means locals buying more licenses each year, plus the LDWF can raise their costs as well. Basic hunting, big game, archery, primitive weapon, state duck stamp, wild turkey, WMA permits,etc.
Making hunters buy all those each year brings in more local monies, plus a bigger share of the Pittman-Robertson funds.
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Rep. Gabe Firment, a Republican from Pollock, objected to raising the cost for a lifetime hunting and fishing license for residents to $1,000. The combination lifetime hunting and fishing license is currently $500, or $300 each for a lifetime hunting license or a lifetime fishing license. “It seems like a pretty dramatic increase in the lifetime license,” Firment said. “I can tell you there’s not going to be many people in my district (who) can afford that at $1,000.”
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Bacala agreed to strip the increased cost for the lifetime hunting and fishing license from the bill.
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This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 8:41 pm
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:44 pm to AlxTgr
Nice. Now they can go ahead and pass this thing.
I have no issue with the new fees with them pulling the paddlecraft registration.
I have no issue with the new fees with them pulling the paddlecraft registration.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:49 pm to boudinman
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It all goes back to the Pittman-Robertson act. it's a hidden federal excise tax on all new hunting equipment. The USFWS collects the monies, and returns a portion to the states based upon the number of licenses sold. Louisiana must continue to show a high number of licenses sold, in order to get a bigger share
That is a little simplistic and not entirely accurate. First, not sure how it’s a “hidden” excise tax, it’s pretty much famous as the most successful one ever passed by Congress and one of the bedrocks of the American Conservation Model. The number of licenses sold in a state is pretty much the last of several factors that determine the distribution of the tax, it’s definitely not all controlling.
Here is a pretty good link: NSSF Pittman Robertson Act
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 8:58 pm to 10MTNTiger
By hidden. I mean it's already figured into the price you pay. It's not taxed at the register.
A $1,200 Mathews bow has that tax built into that price already.
I am familiar with the act. Ive taught Hunter Safety Education and Bowhunter Safety courses in 2 states.
A $1,200 Mathews bow has that tax built into that price already.
I am familiar with the act. Ive taught Hunter Safety Education and Bowhunter Safety courses in 2 states.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:02 pm to boudinman
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Doing away with lifetime license, means locals buying more licenses each year,
P-R Funds are distributed based on total license holders in a state in a given year, so whether or not the license was purchased in that year is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the fact that the state doesn't just get P-R Funds. P-R Funds are reimbursements by the federal government for specific projects; so the state puts up the money before they get anything from the feds. But if you have no money to put up, you don't get a reimbursement. And where do those funds come from? License sales. Those funds generated by license sales have to be used by LDWF, too.
I took environmental law in college and have a degree in wildlife management, so P-R and Dingell-Johnson are two laws I'm very familiar with. Most people don't realize D-J exists and is the fishing equivalent of P-R.
If it weren't for hunting and fishing licenses, our wildlife populations and fisheries would be in significantly worse condition because of lack of management and research.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
people still pay for license? Just go hunt
Posted on 5/19/21 at 5:20 am to oleyeller
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people still pay for license? Just go hunt
You should also drive around without a license too.
YOLO, right?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 6:04 am to Cowboyfan89
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You should also drive around without a license too.
YOLO, right?
We should.
I have to live within my means, if I get a pay cut, I have to make cuts.
While government agencies just tax people more and peasants bend over and take it
Posted on 5/19/21 at 6:40 am to maisweh
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We should.
I have to live within my means, if I get a pay cut, I have to make cuts.
While government agencies just tax people more and peasants bend over and take it
Let's flip the argument for a second. Let's assume for a second this isn't the OB and everyone isn't above hunting on public land. Get rid of the NWRs, National Forests, and WMAs--where are you hunting now? Because a lease is going to cost you several hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. And since a measly little license increase is SO expensive now, how can you afford that?! All of a sudden, hunting is a rich man's sport, just like in Europe.
All the bitching about "paying to hunt the king's deer" is more accurate under that situation than it is now.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:11 am to maisweh
I think the future is pretty dismal for hunting and fishing in Louisiana.For one,thing the percentage of young people getting into it is dropping.Kids would rather sit on their arse and play video games.I have 2 stepsons and 3 grandsons and none of them are very interested in hunting or fishing.
Wild hogs are hurting deer and turkey populations,less deer sightings while sitting in a stand is not a way to get kids enthused about deer hunting.
Hunting hogs is not a viable method of controlling hog populations,trapping is much better.But the bears,that our gov’t overlords decided we needed are slowly but surely going to eleminate that option.A club in north Grant parish is overrun with hogs,they have a trapper with cellular operated trap trying to catch them but they have a resident bear that camps out in their trap and eats all the bait.
I was plagued with hogs for several years and it really hurt my deer hunting.The hogs have pretty much gone the last couple of years for some reason and last year my hunting was a little better.
I was into beagles and rabbit hunting for a good many years( that was my favorite hunting) but when timber companies started leasing their lands that eleminated good places to go so I dropped out of that.
Wild hogs are hurting deer and turkey populations,less deer sightings while sitting in a stand is not a way to get kids enthused about deer hunting.
Hunting hogs is not a viable method of controlling hog populations,trapping is much better.But the bears,that our gov’t overlords decided we needed are slowly but surely going to eleminate that option.A club in north Grant parish is overrun with hogs,they have a trapper with cellular operated trap trying to catch them but they have a resident bear that camps out in their trap and eats all the bait.
I was plagued with hogs for several years and it really hurt my deer hunting.The hogs have pretty much gone the last couple of years for some reason and last year my hunting was a little better.
I was into beagles and rabbit hunting for a good many years( that was my favorite hunting) but when timber companies started leasing their lands that eleminated good places to go so I dropped out of that.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:41 am to boudinman
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Rep. Gabe Firment, a Republican from Pollock, objected to raising the cost for a lifetime hunting and fishing license for residents to $1,000. The combination lifetime hunting and fishing license is currently $500, or $300 each for a lifetime hunting license or a lifetime fishing license. “It seems like a pretty dramatic increase in the lifetime license,” Firment said. “I can tell you there’s not going to be many people in my district (who) can afford that at $1,000.”
Those same people pay $100 a year for licenses already
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:02 am to Ron Cheramie
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“It seems like a pretty dramatic increase in the lifetime license,” Firment said. “I can tell you there’s not going to be many people in my district (who) can afford that at $1,000.”
In other words, none of that money is going into my pocket, so I think it's a bad idea.
If a 20 year old buys a lifetime license right now, it easily pays for itself by the time he's 30. Then, even if he only hunts another 30 years, he's probably saving in the neighborhood of $3000. But he'll probably spend five to ten times that in everything else he uses to hunt.
But the license fees are the problem.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:09 am to boudinman
So no increase to the Lifetime license cost? Am I reading that correctly?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:35 am to Cowboyfan89
I propose since the commission would like to enact a form of registration for paddlecraft, that all home depot and lowes buckets shall also require registration in the amount of $20.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:42 am to Cowboyfan89
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Let's flip the argument for a second. Let's assume for a second this isn't the OB and everyone isn't above hunting on public land. Get rid of the NWRs, National Forests, and WMAs--where are you hunting now? Because a lease is going to cost you several hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. And since a measly little license increase is SO expensive now, how can you afford that?! All of a sudden, hunting is a rich man's sport, just like in Europe.
Again, get rid of the top brass and the bullshite wasteful spending
They have a metalshark with duals or quads.
They can't afford shite now, cut down on spending then say hey we can't afford to pay for this NWR, then it would be easier to swallow
Posted on 5/19/21 at 11:15 am to GREENHEAD22
Same price through June 1, 2022. Then no longer sold. You have 1 year to purchase any lifetime licenses.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:06 pm to boudinman
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Same price through June 1, 2022. Then no longer sold. You have 1 year to purchase any lifetime licenses.
Where does it say this?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:16 pm to boudinman
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Same price through June 1, 2022. Then no longer sold. You have 1 year to purchase any lifetime licenses.
Incorrect. The increase was nixed with an amendment, so the lifetime license will continue to exist as it does now.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:17 pm to maisweh
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Again, get rid of the top brass and the bull shite wasteful spending
They have a metalshark with duals or quads.
They can't afford shite now, cut down on spending then say hey we can't afford to pay for this NWR, then it would be easier to swallow
If you can't swallow a $3 increase, then quit hunting.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 12:20 pm to Cowboyfan89
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you can't swallow a $3 increase, then quit hunting
Nice rebuttal.
You're fine with the increase and wasteful spending.
We get it.
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