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re: Official AR-15 thread
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:25 pm to Theboot32
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:25 pm to Theboot32
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why go through the trouble of getting the stamp and all that for basically the same gun but one with a stock and one without?
It's still a rifle round. As you size the platform down, more of the recoil remains to be managed after firing and you're going to be challenged to do that in creative ways if you do not shoulder the weapon with a proper stock. There's no guarantee the Sig "brace" will be ATF-approved forever - and at the end of the day, it isn't a proper "stock" anyway, just "good enough" buffer attachment to keep you from getting pierced.
With a taxed, ATF approved SBR, you're under no such restrictions, although it is more problematic to transport across state lines, share and transfer/pass down.
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What rounds are tailored for the pistol?
I probably used inarticulate language - 2 things to recall when you "go short" - First, keep the barrel as long as possible and still satisfy the ultimate criteria of the weapon (overall length, "swingability," weight, etc.).
Second, while not "tailored" - some rounds are just "less bad" (all rounds suck from a pistol or SBR) out of a pistol or SBR barrel than others. If you go lighter and faster (40 to 50 grain), you want something that will hold together with that higher velocity - like a bonded HP.
However, the most popular/consensus rounds for SBR seem to be the heavier 75 and 77 grain offerings from Black Hills, Hornady and Barnes - the 75 grain TAP from Hornady comes up over and over, particularly for SBRs, as does the Black Hills 77 grain. The Nosler partition at 60 grain and Nosler OTM 77 grain are also popular with the shorter barrel crowd.
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:12 pm to Ace Midnight
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more problematic to transport across state lines
was wondering about this since I do most of my shooting in MS.
Think i'm probably and go ahead with the pistol build for now, just something to mess around with, after I buy my concealed carry gun, Sig P938.
Was thinking of making it more of a novelty type gun, have it look nice and maybe get it cerakoted, anyone know how much that usually runs? does just the upper and lower get coated or everything?
any recommndations for parts? uppers, lowers, barrels, etc? thinking the 7 inch barrel... kinda hard to find from what I have seen in a quick search
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:27 pm to Theboot32
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cerakoted, anyone know how much that usually runs? does just the upper and lower get coated or everything?
This is America - and you can get what you want, baw.
About $200 (varies, of course) for the big parts - upper, lower, barrel and buffer tube. Depending on how much of the internal parts, another $100 or more.
I haven't had it done, but those are pretty common price quotes on websites.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:29 pm to Theboot32
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any recommndations for parts? uppers, lowers, barrels, etc? thinking the 7 inch barrel... kinda hard to find from what I have seen in a quick search
Are you building the lower or buying it complete? Do you want a complete upper group or are you going to put that together yourself from separate components?
You probably need to set a budget for the whole thing, first, because - particularly for triggers and upper groups - prices vary WILDLY - and you, generally, get what you pay for.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:46 pm to Ace Midnight
Now that I've got my gun and some iron sights, what should I next? Red dot, new trigger, what?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:01 pm to reds on reds on reds
Are you a shooter? If so, I would shoot it as is until you break it in. If the trigger is terrible, replace that first. Trigger, then optics are going to return the most dramatic improvements in the shooting experience.
But, unless purely for competition, I would zero the iron sights and shoot them until you trust the thing with your life. Optics can get expensive, quickly, and often exceed the price of the platform. I would find some cats to let you try scope versus red dot, versus ACOG (or equivalent) to see exactly where you want to go with it.
The first upgrade from a relatively stock, mil-spec is almost always going to be the trigger - unless there is a dramatic reason to do something else.
But, unless purely for competition, I would zero the iron sights and shoot them until you trust the thing with your life. Optics can get expensive, quickly, and often exceed the price of the platform. I would find some cats to let you try scope versus red dot, versus ACOG (or equivalent) to see exactly where you want to go with it.
The first upgrade from a relatively stock, mil-spec is almost always going to be the trigger - unless there is a dramatic reason to do something else.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:03 pm to Ace Midnight
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Are you building the lower or buying it complete? Do you want a complete upper group or are you going to put that together yourself from separate components?
I would probably buy all components and put them together. My last AR I bought a stripped lower and put all of that together, but I bought an assembled upper and just attached it. Ive taken the BCG out and checked out all the upper stuff so I feel fairly confident I can put the upper together as well, unless I am missing something, which I very well may be. BUT if I find a good deal on an assembled upper I would be fine buying that as well. I was thinking, from what I have been reading, since this gun is really just more of a fun gun, I dont need to go too over the top on high end parts. I have a RRA 2 stage trigger that I am going to put in my current AR this weekend and try that out. Will probably wind up buying a Geissele trigger for that gun eventually and maybe use that RRA trigger in the pistol. Just want to try a few things out in my current AR and feel the difference in components.
I'd say I would want to stay under $1k on the pistol if possible, would like to be around $800 though, built my last one for about $725 not including the new trigger, so $785 with it.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:54 pm to Theboot32
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probably not, I just cant justify it right now, suppressors are expensive, on top of the stamp and I cant really see when I would need one, and I dont know the advantages of an SBR over a pistol..
My SBR sits leaned beside my bed at night, so a suppressor was something I "needed". Difference is the stock. Much more comfortable and accurate. What caliber are you looking at? I've got a few, but I'm a big fan of the 300blk for an SBR.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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What caliber are you looking at? I've got a few, but I'm a big fan of the 300blk for an SBR.
well i was dead set on 5.56 til 22lr and 9mm were mentioned as options
a buddy of mine built a 300blk pistol, what are the advantages? I read a decent amount about 300 blk and never came across any major advantages
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:26 pm to Theboot32
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I feel fairly confident I can put the upper together as well, unless I am missing something, which I very well may be.
Torqueing the barrel and fiddling with the gas block aren't "expert" level tasks, but they're no jokes, either. Just pulling the BCG and charging handle - that's all fieldstripping level maintenance.
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I'd say I would want to stay under $1k on the pistol if possible, would like to be around $800 though, built my last one for about $725 not including the new trigger, so $785 with it.
That's reasonable, but you know higher end triggers can flirt with $300, right? I would say stick with the basics - BCM, Brownells, DPMS, and the like - you're probably out of budget range for DD or Noveske and the like.
The good news is there has - literally - never been a better time to buy/build AR-15s.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:43 pm to Theboot32
If you aren't shooting suppressed, don't get a blackout. It's that simple
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:05 pm to Ace Midnight
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Torqueing the barrel and fiddling with the glass block aren't "expert" level tasks, but they're no jokes, either. Just pulling the BCG and charging handle - that's all fieldstripping level maintenance.
Fair enough, probably an assembled upper with 7 inch barrel then. Was looking at BCM and didn't see much.
Yeah, I'm not really factoring the trigger into the cost, I'm counting it as free since it will be a hand me down from my other rifle.
Carson, I pretty much have heard that everywhere, and I'm not suppressing, so no 300blk for me
Eta: Ace, will be making my next next AR a longer range one and will be higher end, hopefully Noveske, and that will be 3!
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:34 pm to Theboot32
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a buddy of mine built a 300blk pistol, what are the advantages? I read a decent amount about 300 blk and never came across any major advantages
Depends what you're using it for. I use mine for home defense and it's suppressed. The 300blk is far superior for both applications. It has some other advantages as well, but it's not worth it if you just want a toy to shoot at the range. If you're just wanting to punch holes in paper, go with 22lr or 5.56.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:36 pm to Carson123987
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It's that simple
It's really not.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:14 pm to Carson123987
Ordered my T1 Micro and Larue mount
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:41 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Ordered my T1 Micro and Larue mount
T2 doesn't have that blueish hue that the T1 has.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's really not.
For 95% of people, it absolutely is. You said it yourself. It was designed to shoot subsonic ammo in a suppressed, short-barreled configuration. Most people dont run rifles like that. Just because you and I do doesn't mean it's for everyone. I used to try and sell my customers on it but all it would lead to is them bitching about the ammo cost relative to 5.56. The average joe who shoots his AR every now and then does not need a blackout.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:13 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Ordered my T1 Micro and Larue mount
nice, that's my exact setup.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 12:25 am to Carson123987
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If you aren't shooting suppressed, don't get a blackout. It's that simple
Truth. I think people are attracted to it when they hear .30 cal and get pig ideas about hunting with their AR. Fact is it was a round designed for suppressed short range CQB. Outside of that it has no real practical use compared to other options.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:52 am to Carson123987
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For 95% of people, it absolutely is. You said it yourself. It was designed to shoot subsonic ammo in a suppressed, short-barreled configuration. Most people dont run rifles like that. Just because you and I do doesn't mean it's for everyone. I used to try and sell my customers on it but all it would lead to is them bitching about the ammo cost relative to 5.56. The average joe who shoots his AR every now and then does not need a blackout.
No, it isn't and that's not what it was designed for. It's one of the many advantages, but not the primary one. I'm also pretty sure he said this isn't his first AR. If it is, he shouldn't be building a pistol anyways. If it isn't, a 300blk would be a good choice depending on intended use. I still haven't heard what that is. The only thing I saw him say is that the 300blk interested him, but he "heard" it wasn't reliable. I'm just letting him know that's nonsense and not to let that make his decision.
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