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Mark Daniels Jr Forward Facing Sonar
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:21 am
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Pretty good video and I agree on most his points. Sometimes it just doesn’t feel
like fishing There are ridiculous weights winning some of these tournaments.
He isn’t the biggest name in bass fishing but a few others have chimed in as well expressing similar concerns.
Basically saying there is no sanctuary for these fish nowadays. No one in the world was ever proficient at catching the deep roamers until FFS came out
Pretty good video and I agree on most his points. Sometimes it just doesn’t feel
like fishing There are ridiculous weights winning some of these tournaments.
He isn’t the biggest name in bass fishing but a few others have chimed in as well expressing similar concerns.
Basically saying there is no sanctuary for these fish nowadays. No one in the world was ever proficient at catching the deep roamers until FFS came out
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:23 am to Ron Cheramie
I have a FFS and the very first time I went out it was December on Toledo bend. 200 yards from the boat ramp we start adjusting it getting it dialed I. Sitting in 30 feet of water with zero structure we see a mark 4 feet down. Caught a 4 lb bass. Proceeded to absolutely wreck the 3-5 lb bass that day. Had a 25 lb sack. Never done that before. Obviously that was a very good day and we don’t do that every single
Time but those fish would have never been caught without the FFS. The deep sanctuaries are no longer
Time but those fish would have never been caught without the FFS. The deep sanctuaries are no longer
Posted on 6/8/26 at 8:32 am to Ron Cheramie
And everyone’s favorite Josh Jones was apparently videoed trying to cast net bluegill because he couldn’t catch this particular bass with artificial.
Makes me wonder because often he will show live videos of him trying to catch a bass and magically his phone dies after spending hours not catching it. Then he magically catches it after a while and takes a photo. He did this at Bussey a few weeks back.
Makes me wonder because often he will show live videos of him trying to catch a bass and magically his phone dies after spending hours not catching it. Then he magically catches it after a while and takes a photo. He did this at Bussey a few weeks back.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:33 am to Ron Cheramie
Ffs is such a crutch it’s ridiculous! This electronic should not be allowed to be used in tournaments of any kind!!
I also can’t see how bodies of water will be able to sustain a population of fish with the added pressure from this junk!
I wonder if states can govern this on public lakes kinda like Arizona (think that’s the state) did with cell cams on public land elk hunting.
I also can’t see how bodies of water will be able to sustain a population of fish with the added pressure from this junk!
I wonder if states can govern this on public lakes kinda like Arizona (think that’s the state) did with cell cams on public land elk hunting.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 10:51 am to WillFerrellisking
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I wonder if states can govern this on public lakes kinda like Arizona
I don't think they will. I have it also. But I can't get excited about going out into the middle of the lake and straining my poor neck to find blips and clouds.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:57 pm to Ron Cheramie
I think many state managers are going to take a hard look at limits and FFS in the next couple of years. May become a situation where those with FFS have lower bag limits than those who are using it but more likely simply a severe reduction across the board. I also think many tournaments are going to have to take a deep look and possibly weigh in fish as they are caught (CRR) and released immediately. The mortality of tournament fish is higher than advertised. Now that the known population of fish which were unknown except to biologists are being hauled all over the lake and weighed in and released that rate is going to increase substantially.
Its bad for bass but most recreational bass fisherman practice catch and release for the most part anyway. Those fish also die at a higher rate than most people think but it is the best way to maintain any fish It is really bad for fish that most people keep.
Its bad for bass but most recreational bass fisherman practice catch and release for the most part anyway. Those fish also die at a higher rate than most people think but it is the best way to maintain any fish It is really bad for fish that most people keep.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 5:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I think many state managers are going to take a hard look at limits and FFS in the next couple of years. May become a situation where those with FFS have lower bag limits than those who are using it but more likely simply a severe reduction across the board. I also think many tournaments are going to have to take a deep look and possibly weigh in fish as they are caught (CRR) and released immediately. The mortality of tournament fish is higher than advertised. Now that the known population of fish which were unknown except to biologists are being hauled all over the lake and weighed in and released that rate is going to increase substantially.
Catch, retain, weigh and release is a remnant of PT Barnum-Ray Scott to make weigh-ins exciting. If mortality is too high, they should go with the MLF model. But less people will go to weigh-ins. And these weigh-ins as far as I can tell are orchestrated for maximum excitement. Just choose random weigh-in numbers for the anglers.
Learning to effectively use FFS is difficult day in and day out. It is a refined skill. Who knows how to use jig-head minnows like an oversized crappie jig?
I wonder if FFS is harming crappie populations? That's why I bought it and it is a no brainer for that.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:02 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I wonder if FFS is harming crappie populations? That's why I bought it and it is a no brainer for that.
I don't know about crappie populations but anecdotally on my home lake there were about 20 guides about 35 years ago and they almost exclusively did live bait striper trips. There are close to 125 crappie guides today using FFS and taking 2-6 limits of crappie out of the lake nearly every day, often twice a day in the summer when daylight allows morning and afternoon trips. SC has imposed a size limit and dropped the bag limit to 20 per person and GA has dropped it to 30 per person from 50 per person 35 years ago. There were WAY more individuals buying fishing licenses 35 years ago in both states relative to the population....FFS is certainly impacting crappie populations. Bream also....its a simple process to find deep bedding bream that were NEVER targeted in the past....
Posted on 6/11/26 at 7:51 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I wonder if FFS is harming crappie populations? That's why I bought it and it is a no brainer for that.
That's the only reason I want it (and will have it soon) as well. Find those brush piles in 25ft of water and catch me a good 10-12 and move on.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 9:59 pm to GeauxTigers0107
Arkansas game and fish were at the ramp on Dardenelle when I came in, they did a survey and asked me all kinds of questions about FFS. I didn’t catch any using it, was just bank fishing, but the questions were like what I thought about it, and if it helps or hurts the fishery, just very in depth, seemed strange, like they were assessing impact….
Posted on 6/12/26 at 6:17 am to CamdenTiger
That's pretty interesting.
I agree with MDJ regarding tournament fishing. I won't watch them staring at a screen in open water.
I agree with MDJ regarding tournament fishing. I won't watch them staring at a screen in open water.
Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:23 am to GeauxTigers0107
can’t put the genie back in the bottle. There is no way to enforce a ban on the technology now even if there were the will to do so.
and making it illegal to even have it on the boat would be akin to the many many firearms related “bans” we all know and love. The only way to even possibly make it work would be to declare specific lakes no-FFS zones and write tickets similar to the lead shot ban during duck season, but that would put green jeans right up in your face and that’s not a good thing
and making it illegal to even have it on the boat would be akin to the many many firearms related “bans” we all know and love. The only way to even possibly make it work would be to declare specific lakes no-FFS zones and write tickets similar to the lead shot ban during duck season, but that would put green jeans right up in your face and that’s not a good thing
Posted on 6/12/26 at 8:06 am to cgrand
I think it all goes back to fair chase. No you can’t make them bite which is the mouth breather FFS argument but you are seeing everything in real time and that’s not fair chase
Cell cams also. You can not convince me that is fair chase
Cell cams also. You can not convince me that is fair chase
Posted on 6/12/26 at 8:20 am to Ron Cheramie
Going to reply same but deleted, add surface drives to the list. We are using tech instead of our experiences and brains. Big Boss and Sticker never had names when I was a kid but I’m getting old. 
Posted on 6/13/26 at 9:25 am to Ron Cheramie
I don’t think it has any place at the major league level. He’s exactly right that it’s a huge cheat mode for those angles who can’t read the water,conditions,bait choice,gut instincts…….. I really feel a bit for the youngsters coming in to the sport. It will be outlawed and they’ve never got the chance to really learn the variables to catch fish under all conditions. I recently put it on my boat , I’m hoping to be more efficient in finding activity in areas then settle in and fish the way I always do knowing I’m around fish.

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