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re: Live shrimp hooks for specks and reds
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:06 am to Boats n Hose
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:06 am to Boats n Hose
Which ones have to be set?
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Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:36 am to TheOcean
I know for sure kahle doesn't. I still like to give it a jerk though. Bass fishin probz
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 11:37 am
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:36 pm to TheOcean
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Which ones have to be set?
No set on a circle hook. I wouldn't use them for speckled trout. A fish has to get the whole circle in his mouth for a circle hook to set properly. You'll miss a lot of soft bites. They are fine for using cut bait to target bull reds.
They are also required if using live or cut bait to target reef fish.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:54 pm to Woody
I use straight hooks.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:20 pm to deaconjones35
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Fun fact if the day: It is illegal to use treble hooks with live bait in the state of Florida.
I think that is the case in MS as well. There are different kinds of live bait fishing. If it is me, a buddy and some live bait on the beach, I will throw out a couple of shrimp/croaker (or ideally pogie fresh from the cast net) on simi-circles and throw them on the sand. Then we will work bait on khales or artificial around the boat. Fish will hook themselves on the semi-circles.
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:26 pm to TheOcean
Just re-read the original post. A khale needs to be set some times, but a hungry fish will hook itself on a croaker hooked on a khale. A semi circle works great for leaving bait swimming behind the boat.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:38 pm to Woody
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No set on a circle hook. I wouldn't use them for speckled trout. A fish has to get the whole circle in his mouth for a circle hook to set properly. You'll miss a lot of soft bites. They are fine for using cut bait to target bull reds. They are also required if using live or cut bait to target reef fish.
So a Kahle hook > Circle? Secondary question, none of the mustad hooks have on the packaging what type of hook they are. How can I tell I'm buying Kahle hooks and not Circle? And I know pictures were already posted.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:51 pm to TheOcean
You don't want a full circle for trout or reds. Look close at the packaging. It's on there...I think.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:00 pm to pooponsaban
I spent 20 minutes at wally world. Could not find any sort of labeling 
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:24 pm to will1883
Circle hooks. Treble hooks are for pussies. Learn to fish.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:25 pm to PanhandleDawg
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Treble hooks are for pussies. Learn to fish.
There's so much wrong in this statement.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:29 pm to Boats n Hose
I use the little octopus with live shrimp. It allows the shrimp to move more naturally. I put a lot of weight in what I learned in FL and TX. Overkill? Probably, but for those that tuna fish, look at the size of those circles we use to catch them. Circles are great for inexperienced fisherman, they don't have to set and if the don't feel the strike the fish hooks itself. The japs came up with that, all the Asian math has been put into its design, think about that for a minute.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:33 pm to Capt ST
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:38 pm to TheOcean
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I spent 20 minutes at wally world. Could not find any sort of labeling
I think they label them correctly at the expensive joints. But just google that shite and get an idea for shapes.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:42 pm to PanhandleDawg
Those guys that take up about half the chapters in Todd Masons speck book use trebles. If you're going to use them, use VMC. Trust me, sharp mofos and keep their point.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:46 pm to Capt ST
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hose guys that take up about half the chapters in Todd Masons speck book use trebles.
I can't lie. I used them for half of my life...then again, I don't think they sold anything else!
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:48 pm to Capt ST
I rarely use treble hooks myself, but to say someone who uses them can't fish is preposterous.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:49 pm to pooponsaban
Hell I used a jighead with minnow or tipped with shrimp into the 90s. Trebles were for crankbaits.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:55 pm to JAB528
J hooks are the original bait hooks. They have varying length shafts but usually short and have a symmetrical bend resulting in the barbed point of the hook being parrallel to the main shaft if the hook. The eye is straight and not upturned. Some bait holder J hooks have Barnes cut on the shaft just past the eye.
Octopus hooks are essentially J hooks with the shaft parallel on both sides of the symmetrical bend and the barbed point is parrallel the main shaft of fhe hook. The difference is they have an up turned eye that is better suited to snelling.
Circle hooks have a short shaft and a bend that makes a full circle where the barbed point is pointing back at the main shaft of the hook at the start of the bend. The point is perpendicular to the shaft. The hook eye is usullly not up turned but some companies make an octopus/circle hybrid hook.
Khale hooks are totally different. They have a longer overall size with an asymmetrical bend that actually looks like two separate bends with a portion between them essentially equal in length to the main shaft. The hook eye is usually straight in line with the shaft but may be upturned 30 degrees or so. The point of the barbed hook point is angled so it faces at the hook eye and is usually 30 to 45 degrees of the main shaft.
Khales are often available in lighter wire versions than circles and octopus hooks.
Octopus hooks are essentially J hooks with the shaft parallel on both sides of the symmetrical bend and the barbed point is parrallel the main shaft of fhe hook. The difference is they have an up turned eye that is better suited to snelling.
Circle hooks have a short shaft and a bend that makes a full circle where the barbed point is pointing back at the main shaft of the hook at the start of the bend. The point is perpendicular to the shaft. The hook eye is usullly not up turned but some companies make an octopus/circle hybrid hook.
Khale hooks are totally different. They have a longer overall size with an asymmetrical bend that actually looks like two separate bends with a portion between them essentially equal in length to the main shaft. The hook eye is usually straight in line with the shaft but may be upturned 30 degrees or so. The point of the barbed hook point is angled so it faces at the hook eye and is usually 30 to 45 degrees of the main shaft.
Khales are often available in lighter wire versions than circles and octopus hooks.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:58 pm to Bleeding purple
The best wag to compare is to take several books and lay them on a table with all of the shafts just behind the eye parallel to each other. Now observe the differences in bend and pii t orientation and the lack of or prescience of an up turned hook eye.
Lite live bait presents best with light wire hooks.
Cut baits or large live bait does well with heavier wire circle or octopus hooks run through either the mouth or tail of the bait fish. They are designed for fish that tend to inhale the entire bait thus getting the whole hook in their mouths.
Lite live bait presents best with light wire hooks.
Cut baits or large live bait does well with heavier wire circle or octopus hooks run through either the mouth or tail of the bait fish. They are designed for fish that tend to inhale the entire bait thus getting the whole hook in their mouths.
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 3:01 pm
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