re: Is this an extremist view? Re Second Amendment

Subby's wrong. The 2A is there so that we can plunk birds off of wires with pump pellet guns and shoot tires in the woods.

(Sorry but this is a dumb topic on a hunting and fishing board. Must be desperate for affirmation. Next time just take a shot of bourbon if you want to feel good about yourself.)

You go off and start your little shooting war against the tyrants in Washington and then report back to us how it went. Meanwhile, I'll stay here and balance the rights and obligations of citizenship, keep my guns and ammo but not go around looking for any "tyrannical politicians" to shoot. Remember, the good folks of the armed services also served this country so we could live as good citizens. I can't imagine anyone went to Iraq or Afghanistan to defend a country of armed militias back home.

Relax man.

Sometimes it helps to be reminded why we have 2A, even if hunters for the most part don't really think about it.

I like having this discussion. Especially right now when the Ukrainians have created a firearm owners association and demanded their own 2nd Amendment.

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

I think it's best to just go without being said. Falls in that two topic red area of religion and politics in daily conversation.

poli board - BUT...

Was it so we could hunt wild game? Yes.

Was it so we could defend ourselves from our thug neighbors? Yes.

Was it so if our government became overbearing, we could take it back? Yes.

Also:

Defending our homes from Native Americans, AND defending our homes from foreign invaders.

Basically defending our homes from all threats, foreign and domestic.

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Liberals think that an overwhelmingly conservative military is going to back their ways. My response? Get fricking real. Maybe the corrupt police forces in big cities will get behind them but the military wouldn't turn on the very people that they go overseas to defend.

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Especially when thoughts of home monopolize such a huge part of your time...yeah then you're going to turn around and kill them or the same kinds of people.