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Flyfishing question
Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 2/19/24 at 5:44 pm
When reeling in a fish, do you strip the fish in or actually use the zero-gear-ratio reel to retrieve?
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:21 pm to deeprig9
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When reeling in a fish, do you strip the fish in or actually use the zero-gear-ratio reel to retrieve?
all work done is with rod and hand, the reel is just to pick up extra line you dont need
if you are after something big that will take all the line, then you can use the drag on the reel as well as your hand to adjust the line tension.
its something you get the feel of as far as to how much pressure to put on the line based on your casting leader size
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:29 pm to deeprig9
Depends on the fish and the guy fishing. I’ve never gone trout fishing but a friend of mine in Washington goes a lot and he puts fish on the reel all the time. I almost never put fish on the reel unless it’s a fish that feels big for whatever my tippet is because the drag will protect the tippet better than me.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:48 am to deeprig9
On bigger fish, I usually use the reel.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:27 am to deeprig9
I only fly-fish for bass and bream so I always hand strip the line
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:19 am to Bama and Beer
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I only fly-fish for bass and bream
and i usually just turn the flyrod into a glorified cane pole.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:17 am to keakar
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all work done is with rod and hand, the reel is just to pick up extra line you dont need
So when trout fishing or LMB fishing on a lake, the rod is the most important thing.
The reel is just the line holder.
That tip can save ppl money.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:42 am to 257WBY
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On bigger fish, I usually use the reel.
This. You only have to have one nice fish make a run while hand stripping, getting the excess line wrapped around the butt of the rod and breaking off to make you learn to put the fish on the reel....
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:18 am to deeprig9
If the fish is" fish enough", it puts itself on the reel. Otherwise it'll get stripped in unless I'm just bored and goofing around.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:02 am to deeprig9
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When reeling in a fish, do you strip the fish in or actually use the zero-gear-ratio reel to retrieve?
Depends on the fish...unless its big enough to strip line you just haul in the line but if it is taking line you fight them pretty much the same way you would any fish that is taking line...if you've stripped in a bunch of slack when the fish hits you have to act as the drag until it gets on the reel. Bream, 2-3 pound bass or trout will usually not take line so they are usually stripped in. Redfish, stripers, snook, tarpon and even 2 pound bonefish will be on the reel almost immediately and into the backing. Catching fish capable of stripping line is hell on most fly reels...even really good ones get smoked regularly on Tarpon and permit. I have never caught a billfish on the long rod but I have been on a boat when sails and white marling were hooked and to be honest I do not know how anyone gets one leadered without destroying the reel...even when those reels cost as much as they do.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:06 am to SneakyWaff1es
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Depends on the fish and the guy fishing. I’ve never gone trout fishing but a friend of mine in Washington goes a lot and he puts fish on the reel all the time. I almost never put fish on the reel unless it’s a fish that feels big for whatever my tippet is because the drag will protect the tippet better than me.
In my experience most flat water trout can be stripped in...but in current they usually wind up on the reel. Steelhead and salmon of course almost always wind up on the reel...I do not know if I have ever stripped either in on a long rod. For the most part any fish big enough to fight on the reel is on the reel before you realize it. There is an awful lot going on, at least for me, between the time I get tight on say a 10 pound redfish and it is on the reel and stripping line. You do have to act as the drag if you have a lot of slack line from stripping or casting though. A lot of people act as the drag even when the fish is on the reel. I find that I am either too heavy handed or too light while the reels drag, unless its worn out, is far more consistent than I am.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:11 am to dstone12
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So when trout fishing or LMB fishing on a lake, the rod is the most important thing.
The reel is just the line holder.
That tip can save ppl money.
Other than small creeks a fly rod is always the most important thing in fly fishing. In small creeks you are basically using a cane pole but if you casting any distance at all the ability for the line to load the rod properly is necessary to get the line to roll over. Using the wrong rod that is not loading right or casting in a manner that does not allow the rod to load right will result in the line hitting the water like a brick and most likely your fly will be between you and the line/leader junction because the leader usually will not roll over if the rod is not properly loaded. It will almost feel like the rod is going to snap if done properly...does not take strength, its all about fluid motion and timing. Even for experienced fly fisherman it is damned difficult to do, especially when fish are actively feeding.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:14 am to Lonnie Utah
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On bigger fish, I usually use the reel.
This. You only have to have one nice fish make a run while hand stripping, getting the excess line wrapped around the butt of the rod and breaking off to make you learn to put the fish on the reel....
Amen. When this does happen...and it will...the trick is to stop the line ahead of the reel and let the fish pull the rod down while you flip the line onto the right side of the reel. Most of the time you will not be succesful but occasionally it will work. The same is true of boat cleats, other fisherman in the boat, your damned dog,..what ever it is that the line has wrapped around you have a mili second at best to let the fish pull the rod down while you unloop whatever you managed to loop. Having a bunch of stripped in slack or excess line from casting has saved more fish than all the game wardens there ever were....
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:17 am to tonydtigr
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If the fish is" fish enough", it puts itself on the reel. Otherwise it'll get stripped in unless I'm just bored and goofing around.
In my experience fish that are going to get on the reel do so with alarming speed LOL. In most cases, in my experience, they are on the reel before I realize they damned thing took the bait, let alone had a hook in it. There is a LOT going on between the time a fish takes a fly and is on the reel, 99.9% of that stuff is out of the fishermans control, which is a good thing because, in my case anyway, I am momentarily amazed something took the bait...in the split second it takes me to recover the fish is on the reel.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:09 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:That’s me. I’m really bad at figuring out of I’m pressuring a fish too hard until my tippet breaks. Maybe I should just learn how not to be a ham handed Flinstone fly angler but I’m usually happier catching fish so I do that instead.
I find that I am either too heavy handed or too light
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:32 am to deeprig9
Those saying the reel is just a line holder haven't
1) fished for big trout with fine tippet
2) fished for even bigger fish that make your reel scream.
But yeah.. for most fishing with a 4-6 weight, you don't necessarily need a great reel. But when you need it... (above scenario with a big fish on fine tippet), you'll be crying when the fish makes a run and breaks off because your "drag" wasn't smooth or you fumbled the line while hand retrieving.
1) fished for big trout with fine tippet
2) fished for even bigger fish that make your reel scream.
But yeah.. for most fishing with a 4-6 weight, you don't necessarily need a great reel. But when you need it... (above scenario with a big fish on fine tippet), you'll be crying when the fish makes a run and breaks off because your "drag" wasn't smooth or you fumbled the line while hand retrieving.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:35 am
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
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and to be honest I do not know how anyone gets one leadered without destroying the reel...even when those reels cost as much as they do.
arent they replaceable parts from what i understand?
if so, swapping out the friction pads is all it takes, i wouldnt say the reel was destroyed
i just stick to using the basic cheapo reels with no drag at all. my best so far is a 24" redfish
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:53 pm to deeprig9
Grab the line let the rod do the work and strip the fish in. I usually have so much line out using the reel you would have an issue, unless you have one of the self reeling reels that are spring loaded that will take up all your slack line, but I have never used one.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:04 pm to Cracker
If it's a bonefish you better get it on the reel
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:23 am to keakar
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arent they replaceable parts from what i understand?
if so, swapping out the friction pads is all it takes, i wouldnt say the reel was destroyed
i just stick to using the basic cheapo reels with no drag at all. my best so far is a 24" redfish
Yes, a medium priced reel has replaceable drag discs. When I said destroyed I meant at the moment. I have never leadered a big Tarpon on a fly rod...about 70-80 pounds is the most I ever leadered. That size will almost smoke a drag. I have had BIG...125 pound plus...Tarpon on for as long as 15-20 minutes but never leadered one that size. A 40 inch snook will come close. I know that people catch multiple tarpon on the same reel and line...it is no easy thing to do without damaging the drag.
I use a 12 weight for almost all saltwater fly fishing. It is a little much for redfish and snook but it will handle big flies and wind. I have caught some MONSTER cubrera snapper and grouper in 3 feet of water on a 12 weight fly rod. I have caught 20 pound dolphin on the same rod. Its a bit overkill offshore but I can handle large flies and wind with it. The exception is bonefish...I use 5-6 weights for bones. They will flat out smoke a 5-6 weight. They say a sailfish is the fastest sport fish but nobody ever told a 5 pound bonefish that shite. I have caught permit on a 12 weight and have had them hooked on a 6. I ain't sure what is right for permit because the damned things are so picky in shallow water. On a reef they act just like the jacks they are, in shallow water all of a sudden they become picky.
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