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Finally Had a Problem With My Beretta A400 XPlor
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:48 pm
Shot a sporting clays tournament today.
On the third station I couldn't get the first shell to feed into the chamber. No problem - "Must be an out-of-spec shell." Tossed that shell and loaded the gun.
Broke first target, but 2nd shell didn't feed. Now I look closer at "the situation." The ejector had worked its way out of the "channel" that it rides in.
Fortunately I had a spare gun (another A400) in my truck. Swapped guns and finished the day w/o further incident.
Called my gunsmith when I got home. He said that the A400 ejectors are staked in, and sometimes the "crimp" (my word, not his) gets worn after a lot lot of wear.
I've probably fired 20K rounds through that gun. If all it needs is to be re-staked, I guess I still have to feel pretty confident in this model -- although it seems like those Italians could design a better way to retain the ejector.
On the third station I couldn't get the first shell to feed into the chamber. No problem - "Must be an out-of-spec shell." Tossed that shell and loaded the gun.
Broke first target, but 2nd shell didn't feed. Now I look closer at "the situation." The ejector had worked its way out of the "channel" that it rides in.
Fortunately I had a spare gun (another A400) in my truck. Swapped guns and finished the day w/o further incident.
Called my gunsmith when I got home. He said that the A400 ejectors are staked in, and sometimes the "crimp" (my word, not his) gets worn after a lot lot of wear.
I've probably fired 20K rounds through that gun. If all it needs is to be re-staked, I guess I still have to feel pretty confident in this model -- although it seems like those Italians could design a better way to retain the ejector.
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Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:55 pm to dawg23
20k rounds and first issue? I'm sold
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:13 pm to dawg23
I put a dab of moly on the ejector and spring as well as the extractor channel. Like any gun, sliding friction points should have a lubricant that has metallic AW agents.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:22 pm to dawg23
I may be different than others but a "higher end" semi auto shotgun as long as it is well maintained should see more than 20k before a problem.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 6:58 am to fisherbm1112
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I may be different than others but a "higher end" semi auto shotgun as long as it is well maintained should see more than 20k before a problem.
Ejectors. Extractors. Firing pin springs. Recoil springs. Etc are wear items. 20k might be on the front end of the bell curve on when it should fail but that is far from a lemon.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 7:02 am to dawg23
Even your gun is starting to hate you.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 8:35 am to dawg23
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20K rounds
yeah I would say send that thing back you should get 100K rounds before it needs anything
thats a great to hear
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:03 am to KingRanch
Hope it doesn't spread to my knives - they're pretty sharp.Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:10 am to Clames
quote:On the infrequent occasions when I clean that gun, it never occurred to me to lube that friction point. In fact I didn't know, until this issue popped up (actually popped out), that the ejector was staked.
I put a dab of moly on the ejector and spring as well as the extractor channel. Like any gun, sliding friction points should have a lubricant that has metallic AW agents.
Live & learn.
What kind of moly lube do you use? Lyman ?
Posted on 4/23/16 at 9:46 am to dawg23
You can re-stake it yourself. Hammer & punch the staking points are just where you strike with the punch to overlap the metal over the part.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 11:39 am to Boxcar
quote:Dropped the gun off at my gunsmith this morning -- turns out that my problem wasn't due to staking (or lack thereof).
You can re-stake it yourself. Hammer & punch the staking points are just where you strike with the punch to overlap the metal over the part.
The rollpin that keeps the ejector from exiting the front of the channel was sheared. Considering that over 99% of the shells I've run through this gun were low velocity target loads, maybe this is an unwarranted event.
The gunsmith's "preliminary diagnosis" of a staking problem was made over the phone, before I dropped the gun off at his shop. He told me this morning that he's seen staking problems several times on the A400's, but this is the first time he's seen this pin shear.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 11:53 am to dawg23
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What kind of moly lube do you use? Lyman ?
Valvoline synthetic grease for slide friction points on all my firearms (plain old CLP everywhere else), just a small dab on a q-tip. I've been using the same tub for 6 years now and figure it could last another 12.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 12:15 pm to dawg23
Yeah, thats rare. Glad you got it figures out though.
Posted on 4/23/16 at 1:52 pm to Boxcar
quote:I probably would have never figured it out. Even after he pointed to the sheared pin, it took a while for me to see what he was showing me.
Glad you got it figures out though.
Even though I have had good luck with Berettas (391's and the newer A400), I don't think any semi-auto will be as reliable as a good O/U. Which is why I had a spare A400 in my truck.
I decided a few years ago that something on the gun would eventually break. And since I sometimes drive to Houma, Lafayette, Shreveport or Houston for tournaments, I figured I'd invest in a second gun. It's a clone of my original A400 (same adjustable recoil reducer), same left-handed shim setup.
It's an expensive "insurance policy," but it pays off within 5 minutes of a "claim."
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