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Feeders VS Plots

Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:59 pm
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:59 pm
I know not everyone can plant food plots, but for those who can I wanted to share some information I’ve been keeping for about three years now. Of course it’s probably not anything that the OB doesn’t already know but I wanted to share it anyway.

I manage three pieces of property in northeast Louisiana. One of the three can no longer bait due to CWD. One can bait but decided last season to discontinue baiting once deer season opened. The third still baits with feeders that go off at different times of the day.

This season has really been interesting in regards to the number of daylight buck sightings. On the two properties where baiting has been discontinued, sightings have gone up. And while I haven’t done the numbers yet (waiting till the end of season), I can tell you that those two properties are seeing a significant increase in daytime buck activity on and around food plots.

Has anyone else seen a big difference in daylight Buck sightings after the CWD baiting ban or on properties that do food plots but don’t bait?
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6818 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:06 pm to
We’re in the hot zone. I attribute more buck sightings, and deer sightings overall, to the drought. The deer need to move more to find food.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
22648 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:09 pm to
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Good point.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17890 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:10 pm to
A property I’m invited to hunt in Natchez doesn’t bait due to hogs. The deer come out at 7:00am and 4:30pm like clockwork. It feels more natural with diurnal movement but it doesn’t feel any less like baiting. They come to the plots to eat something that wouldn’t be there otherwise, they just have to work a little longer to gather it up.

We bait heavily in Kemper, like every other neighbor. We see bucks in daylight during the rut and for most of January when they’re hard on feed. Put in some time and you’ll see a shooter. I would be perfectly fine if baiting were banned tomorrow if it was actually enforced, but only because that would save me $2K a year on corn, not because I think it would improve my odds of killing a deer or feel better about how it happened.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
22648 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:28 pm to
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…it doesn’t feel any less like baiting.


I see your point there.

I always felt like when possible, food plots were more of a natural feeding environment. Deer being grazers and having the desire to move as they feed. Plus the hard edge of a plot seems to attract quite a bit of scrapes and rubs.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17890 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:46 pm to
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food plots were more of a natural feeding environment. Deer being grazers and having the desire to move as they feed.


I get what you mean, but they aren’t grazers, they’re concentrate selectors. It’s not natural for them to put their head down and feed on the same thing over a large area like a cow. What they’d naturally do is walk a very large area looking for new growth on a bunch of different things, half of them probably extirpated.

There’s nothing natural about how any of us hunt deer anymore, even if you walk 10 miles into public land. There’s nothing really wild anymore, but that doesn’t mean it can’t still be fun and sustainable.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
9395 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:51 pm to
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Put in some time and you’ll see a shooter.


If this means sit in a shooting house on a feeder, I'm out. I want to find where they are coming and going and sit in a tree and hope it works out. Am I still using human cowardly sniper advantage? Yes. But I'm not watching 8 deer walk up to a feeder and picking the one with the most head growth.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17890 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:08 pm to
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If this means sit in a shooting house on a feeder, I'm out. I want to find where they are coming and going and sit in a tree and hope it works out.


Cool. What you catching them heading towards, a white oak dropping acorns? The last water source when it hasn’t rained in two months? Someone else’s foodplot or feeder?
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11505 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:09 pm to
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I want to find where they are coming and going and sit in a tree and hope it works out.


Cool.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11505 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:12 pm to
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The last water source when it hasn’t rained in two months? Someone else’s foodplot or feeder?


If you want to make it more of a challenge, go on foot and stalk them. Don’t sit in a $500 climber in Sitka gear


Use a bow and feel the primal rage exit your body as you strike down a fawn.


Some of yall take this way too seriously. Why not just enjoy nature with your family and friends? Why not have food plots with box stands for easy hunts AND climbing stands in the garage for when you’re feeling like a challenge?

The pissing match is useless. We should all be focusing our attacks on dog hunters, corn pilers, hog breeders, green jeans, thieves, and poachers.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:15 pm
Posted by inotsure
Member since Apr 2021
141 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:28 pm to
During the rut I see bucks in open areas such as secluded pastures trying to see and wind does, food plots have a similar effect. That being said one of main hunting spots has a five acre thicket with planted shooting lanes and feeder between crp loaded with acorns and a five acre food plot. The deer walk right past the feeder to hang out in the shooting lanes for a good two hours before moving into the food plot. Last year we had less acorns they concentrated on the corn more but still grazed a lot. I’m a firm believer in spreading food out and diversity for deer, they don’t like to stay in one place for very long. Corn is not the end all be all, been many weeks we didn’t feed corn or refill feeders and saw the same amount of deer.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
22648 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:41 pm to
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The deer walk right past the feeder ….


I once had a S Carolina warden (before baiting was legal in the upstate) tell me that he wrote tickets for baiting every season where guys would put corn out with white oaks dropping less than 100 yards away.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
22648 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:43 pm to
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But they aren’t grazers.


I was falling back on what Charlie Alshiemer had once told me. He said deer like to be able to feed, move, feed, move. I guess he had done so much research with his captive deer that he believed they wanted to move for safety reasons.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17890 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:50 am to
He wasn’t wrong, it’s natural for them to move as they feed. If able, they will nip the newest most nutritious growth from only certain plants, which means they have to cover a lot of ground. To the point of the thread, if you really want to maximize deer movement on your property, burn the whole thing and manage it for early succession.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5774 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 9:34 am to
Don’t you think your post then subsequent comment towards dog hunters and “corn pilers” is a bit hypocritical?

I say this as a bow hunter that primarily hunts oaks along a river, but the generalized shite talk towards guys that use bait to hunt is dumb and completely over simplified. It totally ignores the differences in deer habitat across the state/country.

We have a work lease in Texas and if you didn’t feed the deer, you’d never see them. Outside the roads, the property is cactus. I totally agree that targeting a specific buck, trying to figure out his movement habits, and killing him with a bow on a travel route is an entirely different pursuit and experience, but is the guy that hunts over a thoughtfully-placed food plot or feeder in the middle of a young pine thicket less of an outdoorsman? He’d never see deer if he didn’t bait them.

You could easily argue that with the way deer get around feeders, it’s equally as hard to kill a mature buck (maybe even harder) by a feeder in certain areas than in a bottom or near his bed. One may involve more “right place, right time” luck than the other, but it’s still deer hunting. You’ve tricked the deer into coming to a spot and you kill it. Is hunting ducks over decoys not duck hunting?

We can debate the nuances of deer hunting all day, but it’s still deer hunting. I just feel like there are enough people out there with negative attitudes towards hunters. We don’t really need to have unnecessarily negative attitudes towards each other.

I’d love to see some of these guys with big egos that travel out of state to hunt prime areas loaded with huge deer, or hunt great habitat along the river in Louisiana, be turned loose on on Weyerhaeuser land in southeast Louisiana. I have a feeling they’d get humbled quickly.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 9:53 am
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
9395 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:35 am to
I'm also curious about the difference people see from corn piling and feeders. Both are more fishing than hunting. If that's your thing, great. I'm just saying it isn't mine. I'm no expert in anything, just saying how I prefer to mostly fail and sometimes get lucky.

I understand that in much terrain you would never see a deer without a feeder approach. I just have no desire to hunt in those areas. I'm still happy for anyone who wants to do that and I'll be on here upvoting pics of success.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5774 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:42 am to
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I'm just saying it isn't mine. I'm no expert in anything, just saying how I prefer to mostly fail and sometimes get lucky


I agree. That’s why I punish myself by bowhunting ha. It’s personal to me though. I can track with your fishing comparison too. I just think there are creative ways to use feed that shouldn’t be frowned upon in the hunting community.

I have a small piece of property by my house (60 acres) and I feed deer there during the off season along known travel routes to try to keep deer in the area. I’ve also used bait in the past to try to create a spot for deer to stop because of limited shooting lanes. My experience in season has always been that deer are less skittish and aware around natural feed sources though, so that’s generally how I choose to hunt. I can also recognize that I’m fortunate to have a place in south Louisiana where hunting like that is possible though.
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
3616 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 10:49 am to
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bluemoons I'm also curious about the difference people see from corn

I hunt corn and corn piles and plots. I wish our property was laid out with big enough plots to just have plots We plant plots and have summer plots as well as feed protein.
I love spot and stalk style hunting but our lease is close so I take the bad for the good of being convenient. I probably will never hunt the north woods of Canada just because they hunt blinds over bait and I’m not morally against it and do it now but I’m not willingly going do it if that makes sense.
I find that our mature bucks avoid feeders and feeder pens during daylight but will cruise those areas looking for does so I hunt them or around them on staging areas.
My goal with plots
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11505 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 12:13 pm to
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We have a work lease in Texas and if you didn’t feed the deer, you’d never see them. Outside the roads, the property is cactus.


That’s because it’s not native habitat for whitetail…….
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11505 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 12:15 pm to
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I'm also curious about the difference people see from corn piling and feeders. Both are more fishing than hunting. If that's your thing, great. I'm just saying it isn't mine. I'm no expert in anything, just saying how I prefer to mostly fail and sometimes get lucky.



For the record

I have feeders. Gravity and spinner. I hate them and am actively trying to get rid of them. The moment it’s illegal again (and it will be soon in SWMS) I’m going to do everything I can to help enforce the ban. And guess what? The hunting will improve. I promise.
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