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re: Bushnell Riflescopes
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:04 pm to upgrade
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:04 pm to upgrade
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And you couldn't pay me to move my scope during a hunt, or any time when I can't shoot a target and prove it's hitting where I want it to.
For real, I get not wanting to move it.
But seriously, if you cant adjust your scope 5 mil or 20 moa or whatever and back to 0 and have it hold a zero then that scope needs one of two things:
1) A trash can
2) to go back to manufacturer for them to fix
Adjusting or turning the knobs/turrets on the reticle is what the thing was designed for. If you cant do that then you bought a pile of crap.
I get the mental part though of not wanting to touch something, just need to realize the equipment is better than you...let it work.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:38 pm to kengel2
quote:Thats proving to be false.
I get the mental part though of not wanting to touch something,
quote:I don't need it to be better than me, I just need it to be better than my dog, and stay right where I set it, just like a set of iron sights would.
just need to realize the equipment is better than you...let it work.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:49 pm to Citica8
quote:
Thats proving to be false.
No really, I used to be like that and then I shot a couple competitions, some local f-class/fpr matches. Then moved on to some prs matches. The equipment matters, but even cheap stuff scopes now are more capable and accurate than scopes 20 years ago. So I totally understand your apprehension to turning a knob.
Im just trying to get you to turn that knob in the off-season and trust the scope.
quote:
I don't need it to be better than me, I just need it to be better than my dog, and stay right where I set it, just like a set of iron sights would.
Imagine a world where the dog just keeps the chair warm...lol
Posted on 12/19/19 at 10:05 pm to kengel2
I’m not saying it isn’t capable, I’m saying where I hunt there’s no practicality. On a range bench shooting steel, sure, out in mountain country stalking elk, probably so.
The only places I would have to shoot any distance that would even be useful is on a pipe or power line, when you can’t see or hear it until it’s in the open, so there is no warning, then you have seconds to figure out how far it is, shoulder the rifle, get on target, and decide if it’s something you want to shoot, in best case 20 seconds, before it crosses, not a chance. It’s already challenging enough without the added step of adjusting a turret. Hell, I don’t even touch the parallax adjustment knob on my Zeiss.
I trust the scope is capable of turning one way, then back, and being on. Snipers do it, under much more duress, but they typically have a spotter. I don’t trust my dumbass to make sure it’s back at zero every time. The last thing I want to do is get ready to squeeze off and then the doubts pop in my head, “is the scope at zero?” Plus if I get the one that isn’t exposed, I know I’m gonna lose that cap. I’ve lost every scope cap and binocular cover I’ve ever had, including the flip open ones that stay on the scope. So, it’s not for me.
The only places I would have to shoot any distance that would even be useful is on a pipe or power line, when you can’t see or hear it until it’s in the open, so there is no warning, then you have seconds to figure out how far it is, shoulder the rifle, get on target, and decide if it’s something you want to shoot, in best case 20 seconds, before it crosses, not a chance. It’s already challenging enough without the added step of adjusting a turret. Hell, I don’t even touch the parallax adjustment knob on my Zeiss.
I trust the scope is capable of turning one way, then back, and being on. Snipers do it, under much more duress, but they typically have a spotter. I don’t trust my dumbass to make sure it’s back at zero every time. The last thing I want to do is get ready to squeeze off and then the doubts pop in my head, “is the scope at zero?” Plus if I get the one that isn’t exposed, I know I’m gonna lose that cap. I’ve lost every scope cap and binocular cover I’ve ever had, including the flip open ones that stay on the scope. So, it’s not for me.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:53 am to Citica8
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I’m not saying it isn’t capable, I’m saying where I hunt there’s no practicality. On a range bench shooting steel, sure, out in mountain country stalking elk, probably so.
The only places I would have to shoot any distance that would even be useful is on a pipe or power line, when you can’t see or hear it until it’s in the open, so there is no warning, then you have seconds to figure out how far it is, shoulder the rifle, get on target, and decide if it’s something you want to shoot, in best case 20 seconds, before it crosses, not a chance. It’s already challenging enough without the added step of adjusting a turret. Hell, I don’t even touch the parallax adjustment knob on my Zeiss.
Its obvious that we arent going to agree and thats fine, I enjoy the conversation.
You talked earlier about using a BDC thats not calibrated to your ammo and taking shots at 300+. You never mentioned a caliber. A 308 at 300 with a standard load has about a 12" drop.
I dont care if you dont want to touch the scope, but using that BDC probably means you miss, unless you get lucky.
What I would suggest is to get a reticle like this:
Then measure the velocity of the ammo you shoot with a chronograph and make a chart using jbm or one of the other free ballistic apps available. Then you dont have to guess, you just estimate the range and use the reticle to shoot. No adjustment necessary.
For your 300 yd shot the third line down would be your hold. Boom. No guess work, no touching anything.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:52 am to kengel2
quote:If by agree you mean, convince me your way is better, and I should buy that instead. You are correct.
Its obvious that we aren’t going to agree and thats fine
quote:That’s because this thread wasn’t started to help me pick out my next hunting rifle or scope, which I’ve mentioned quite a few times now, it was started because Nikon is getting out if the market, and Bushnell is still around, with much less marketshare, curious how that is, what is their niche.
You talked earlier about using a BDC thats not calibrated to your ammo and taking shots at 300+. You never mentioned a caliber.
If I wanted this board’s input on what gun, the thread would have been “what color sling should I put on my Tikka T3X 6.5 Creedmoor with a 6-18x56 Swarovski”
In regards to your suggestion, I don’t like that reticle, it’s too busy. Nikon has the only one I like. All I’m looking for is a reference point for 300. At 10x circle is 300, at 12x circle is 284. You can’t convince me that it isn’t a more accurate method than “put it at the top of its back and let it fly” even if it’s not as accurate as yours
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:15 pm to Citica8
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In regards to your suggestion, I don’t like that reticle, it’s too busy. Nikon has the only one I like. All I’m looking for is a reference point for 300. At 10x circle is 300, at 12x circle is 284. You can’t convince me that it isn’t a more accurate method than “put it at the top of its back and let it fly” even if it’s not as accurate as yours
I was just throwing out options so the "top of the back and let it fly" didnt happen. Just trying to help out everyone and throw the options out there for you and the lurkers that stuff like that is available and its not expensive. Glad you know where yours hits, most with 100yd ranges just trust the book and say its dead on at 300 when its a foot off.
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Nikon is getting out if the market, and Bushnell is still around, with much less marketshare, curious how that is, what is their niche.
Nikon really only had the cheap scope market share. Their venture into higher end scopes didnt really work out. Bushnell was a cheap brand until someone got in their ear and they started working on the original HDMR circa 2010 or so. Then they worked with GA Precision and released some new reticles that make sense. They actually listen to their customer input about designs and reticles unlike Shift and Bender. Needless to say, I think they have a bigger marketshare than you think. It isnt the best, it isnt the lightest, but when you turn the turrets or knobs they work, make a parallax adjustment and it works. Drop the thing and it still works. They make quality gear at a good price. I dont work for them, but when I got my first bushnell HDMR back in the day I was pretty much sold.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:45 am to Citica8
1. Go to Cameralandny.com
2. Buy a Meopta Meopro with their BDC. Lets face it it takes a dumbass like Nikon to make a clear circle as a holdover reference
3. Just buy this
Meopta Meopro 4.5-14x44 w/BDC
4. Kill all the critters you want for $450 and do it in a lot lower light than any Nikon,Vortex, or Leupold in your price range you're looking at
Seriously those Meopro's are excellent buys in quality glass and Doug at Cameraland is excellent to deal with
2. Buy a Meopta Meopro with their BDC. Lets face it it takes a dumbass like Nikon to make a clear circle as a holdover reference
3. Just buy this
Meopta Meopro 4.5-14x44 w/BDC
4. Kill all the critters you want for $450 and do it in a lot lower light than any Nikon,Vortex, or Leupold in your price range you're looking at
Seriously those Meopro's are excellent buys in quality glass and Doug at Cameraland is excellent to deal with
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 7:48 am
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