re: Browning X-Bolt Medallion vs Remington Model 700 SPS

As much as I hate it. Remington sold us out.

If it's just a matter of which is the better design, it's the Remington hands down. I own a lot of them. I've been a hard core Rem fanboi for decades because the 700 and the 870 both are just awesome designs. And I'm not about to sell any of my Remingtons. But until they do some contrition, I won't be buying any more new ones. Like, ever again. They need to feel the pain.

Which would I keep had I both right now? The 700. Hands down. Not even close. Because you selling a used rifle means absolutely nothing in this equation. Because selling a superior rifle to keep one that's not as good when you have a choice does absolutely nothing to Remington whatsoever. Just gives some guy that's looking for a potentially apex design the chance to get one without having to give Remington a dime. You sell it over this you're a sucker. If you had the opportunity to buy a broomhandle Mauser with Wehrmacht proof marks for dirt cheap from some guy would you not buy it because that would make you somehow supporting Nazis? You'd have to be brain dead not to buy it.

Just don't buy anything new from them again until they've learned their lesson.

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And I'm not about to sell any of my Remingtons

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Because you selling a used rifle means absolutely nothing in this equation

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This attitude is exactly why a boycott will fail. If everyone went to their local gun shop and traded in their remingtons the value would drop to nothing. The shops would quit accepting them for trade because they know that would not be able to get rid of them. When you carry your used remington on a hunt or to the range you are promoting remington to the public no matter when you bought the gun. Everytime you see someone shooting a remington in public you should call them out on it and explain what happened. Most people are not willing to make a sacrafice for something they believe in though. They talk a big game but they will still shoot their remingtons.

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You sell it over this you're a sucker

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When Smith and Wesson signed on to develop a smart gun with the Clinton White House a lot of people started trading in Smiths and the gun shop would hardly offer anything for them. Smith almost went bankrupt and had to sell out to a more rights friendly group and they were able to get things tuned around. If they had not sold the company it would have been bankrupt. All because smith had a stigma attached to it and nobody wanted to be seen shooting one.

I was drinking a lil bit an cleaning my guns the other night and thought real hard about calling Rem and giving them a piece of my mind. As well as let them know that I would not be surprised if they are out of Business in the next 5 years or so. They have been in the red for quite awhile now as it is.

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They have been in the red for quite awhile now as it is.

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Yeah, since their purchase by Cerebus, their quality has taken an huge hit. Gun owners are a fickle bunch. That in itself won't be soon forgotten.

It should be noted Cerebus also owns Marlin, Cobb, DPMS and Bushmaster. Any boycott needs to include those two companies as well.

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They own AAC too?! frick.

frick Remington and their subsidiaries

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This attitude is exactly why a boycott will fail. If everyone went to their local gun shop and traded in their remingtons the value would drop to nothing. The shops would quit accepting them for trade because they know that would not be able to get rid of them. When you carry your used remington on a hunt or to the range you are promoting remington to the public no matter when you bought the gun. Everytime you see someone shooting a remington in public you should call them out on it and explain what happened. Most people are not willing to make a sacrafice for something they believe in though. They talk a big game but they will still shoot their remingtons.

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They already made their money on it. Nobody buys Remington as an investment and Remington couldn't care less about the used market because they don't make a dime on it... It has no impact on the company whatsoever.

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When Smith and Wesson signed on to develop a smart gun with the Clinton White House a lot of people started trading in Smiths and the gun shop would hardly offer anything for them. Smith almost went bankrupt and had to sell out to a more rights friendly group and they were able to get things tuned around. If they had not sold the company it would have been bankrupt. All because smith had a stigma attached to it and nobody wanted to be seen shooting one

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That's wishful thinking to support your argument. Smith didn't fail because nobody wanted to be seen shooting one. That's absurd and didn't happen. Smith failed because nobody would buy a new one and their profits became losses. Anyone that sold their Smith for dirt cheap back then was a sucker because to replace it, even then but especially now is exceedingly expensive.

Hey you want to be that guy that gets in other people's business over a gun they inherited or have always used hunting and have feelings for, you go ahead. But you aren't doing anything to Remington that way. You're just making yourself look like an arse. You want to impact Remington you start that conversation in a different way and discuss what they've done and why we shouldn't buy them anymore new. You won't get any arguments from any gun owner I've ever known. And this time next year, Remington will be on their knees, soon to be sold, and those that sold theirs for cheap will feel like an idiot IF they then try to replace them once they've gotten right with us again.

In spite of the douchebags selling it making a stupid decision, the Mod 700 is still one of, if not the most accurate rifle with modifications on the market same as it ever was. The engineering doesn't change because of a bad business decision.

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Remington couldn't care less about the used market because they don't make a dime on it... It has no impact on the company whatsoever.

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If everyone dumped their remingtons on the used market I can assure you that it would have a huge impact on Remington. Every dumbass that doesn't care would not buy a new model 700 for $800 bucks when they could but one at a pawn shop for $200. It would kill remingtons new gun sales. Its not like they have a new product to offer they live on the same guns they have made for the last 40 years.

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Smith didn't fail because nobody wanted to be seen shooting one. That's absurd and didn't happen. Smith failed because nobody would buy a new one and their profits became losses.

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No one would by a new one because they could buy and old one for a fourth of an new one. But this was only told to me by a person that is probably the 4th or 5th biggest small arms dealer in the US.

If we are talking about selling off a rifle my vote is sell the browning. I love browning shotguns but they don't make a 700.

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Which would I keep had I both right now? The 700. Hands down. Not even close. Because you selling a used rifle means absolutely nothing in this equation. Because selling a superior rifle to keep one that's not as good when you have a choice does absolutely nothing to Remington whatsoever. Just gives some guy that's looking for a potentially apex design the chance to get one without having to give Remington a dime. You sell it over this you're a sucker.

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Would you kindly shut the frick up until after he and I agree on a price?

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YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT! F**K REMINGTON!! IM SELLING IT.

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How much you want for it?

Two pages, two total votes on the guns

Anybody owned an x-bolt?