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re: Best shotgun for home protection?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:08 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:08 pm to UpToPar
I think you're misunderstanding Vader's point. I don't think any rational person, Vader included, is advocating purchasing a pump ONLY for the sound it makes. It's pretty ridiculous that that's the only thing you took from his posts. I believe he was advocating the pump BOTH for the sound it makes and the damage is causes. You seem to be stuck on just the sound aspect of the pump.
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Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:08 pm to UpToPar
So, you can be awoken, instantly think danger and not your child is in the kitchen, retrieve a gun, traverse your home in the dark without giving away your position all within 15 seconds. I think it can be done. Not by you or me, but sure.
btw, a deadbolt takes someone jumping and putting a boot right at the lock to open it. Done it before. Unless you went deep into the stud, but most home construction doesn't do that.
btw, a deadbolt takes someone jumping and putting a boot right at the lock to open it. Done it before. Unless you went deep into the stud, but most home construction doesn't do that.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:10 pm to Amyylove
I managed the Gun department at Steinberg's from 1994 to 1996 and back then, the most popular gun I sold for home protection was the Mossberg Combo in either 12 or 20 guage.
The Mossberg Combo was/is a pump action shotgun that comes with 2 barrels and 2 stocks. You can put the 28" barrel and shoulder stock and it looks like any other hunting shotgun, or you can put the 18" barrel and the pistol grip stock and it looks like the assult type shotguns you see SWAT using.
Also, the best ammunition to use is either #6 or #7.5 bird shot. These type shells will typically not go through walls and hurt unintended victims. Buck shot and slugs are more likely to go through walls and are not necessary at such close distances. In shotgun blasts at 10-15', roughly 90% of the shot will hit your target, causing a big hole and providing some serious damage.
Also, a pump action shotgun has a psychological factor... If you hear a noise in the night, all you have to do is quickly "rack" the shotgun. Trust me, everyone in the world knows that sound. If that's not enough to send them running, then go ahead and open up on them.
I have 2 of these in our bedroom, in sheaths on back side of our headboard. I taught my wife how to shoot it and she loves it.
The Mossberg Combo was/is a pump action shotgun that comes with 2 barrels and 2 stocks. You can put the 28" barrel and shoulder stock and it looks like any other hunting shotgun, or you can put the 18" barrel and the pistol grip stock and it looks like the assult type shotguns you see SWAT using.
Also, the best ammunition to use is either #6 or #7.5 bird shot. These type shells will typically not go through walls and hurt unintended victims. Buck shot and slugs are more likely to go through walls and are not necessary at such close distances. In shotgun blasts at 10-15', roughly 90% of the shot will hit your target, causing a big hole and providing some serious damage.
Also, a pump action shotgun has a psychological factor... If you hear a noise in the night, all you have to do is quickly "rack" the shotgun. Trust me, everyone in the world knows that sound. If that's not enough to send them running, then go ahead and open up on them.
I have 2 of these in our bedroom, in sheaths on back side of our headboard. I taught my wife how to shoot it and she loves it.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:10 pm to UpToPar
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So you hear someone kicking your door trying to gain entrance. You wait until that person is inside your house to chamber a round so they will hear it?
Not even in that post is he relying on the sound. He said maybe the sound will deter them, but if not that is what the round is for.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:11 pm to fightin tigers
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So, you can be awoken, instantly think danger and not your child is in the kitchen, retrieve a gun, traverse your home in the dark without giving away your position all within 15 seconds. I think it can be done. Not by you or me, but sure.
You are really not good at arguing. I said it would be possible to grab a gun out of a drawer before a person entered your house and were able to hear it. Try to keep up.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:11 pm to CPT 8ch
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Also, a pump action shotgun has a psychological factor... If you hear a noise in the night, all you have to do is quickly "rack" the shotgun. Trust me, everyone in the world knows that sound. If that's not enough to send them running, then go ahead and open up on them.
Watch out. Some posters will think you're advocating a pump just for the sound, and that you don't have any ammo in it.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:12 pm to fightin tigers
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He said maybe the sound will deter them, but if not that is what the round is for.
So if that is his first option would he not have to wait for the intruder to enter to chamber the round?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:13 pm to UpToPar
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You are really not good at arguing. I said it would be possible to grab a gun out of a drawer before a person entered your house and were able to hear it. Try to keep up.
If I had never broken into a house I would agree with you. Having done it on several occasions I can tell you that Eastwood is the only one I have seen quick enough....and he wasn't from a dead sleep.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:13 pm to UpToPar
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You are really not good at arguing. Try to keep up.
It's funny that you think you're winning any argument.
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:14 pm to CPT 8ch
Damnit 
DO NOT use birdshot for self defense unless you have too. Birdshot at any range sucks on things weighing more than 20 pounds. I've been shot with birdshot rabbit hunting. Not one pellet made it to my skin through my jacket and pants. Do you want to trust your life to that?
DO NOT use birdshot for self defense unless you have too. Birdshot at any range sucks on things weighing more than 20 pounds. I've been shot with birdshot rabbit hunting. Not one pellet made it to my skin through my jacket and pants. Do you want to trust your life to that?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:14 pm to UpToPar
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So if that is his first option would he not have to wait for the intruder to enter to chamber the round?
You stated yours was in a safe, don't you have to open that?
Btw, I hope you aren't using one with fingerprints or just the push buttons....
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:15 pm to UpToPar
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So if that is his first option would he not have to wait for the intruder to enter to chamber the round?
You are STUCK on the sound component. Move past it. The weapon is the first option. The sound is just an added benefit. How are you not understanding this? Is English your second language?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:16 pm to fightin tigers
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If I had never broken into a house I would agree with you. Having done it on several occasions I can tell you that Eastwood is the only one I have seen quick enough....and he wasn't from a dead sleep.
When my dog barks because someone is either breaking my window before climbing through, kicking my door before entering, or jumping my fence to get to my backdoor, I will have plenty of time to grab my gun that is within arms length before he is close enough to hear me. Yet you continue to add actions to make it seem more improbable. All I am suggesting is that I can grab my gun before an intruder is able to hear me do so.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I've been shot with birdshot rabbit hunting.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:18 pm to UpToPar
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So you hear someone kicking your door trying to gain entrance. You wait until that person is inside your house to chamber a round so they will hear it?
Yes. That's exactly what I said that I plan on doing.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:18 pm to rsande2
I promise that if your intruder has on a carhartt jacket and blue jeans he's going to have to be sucking on the barrel for you to get an instant stop.
It didn't even hurt that bad and I was about 15 yards away.
It didn't even hurt that bad and I was about 15 yards away.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:20 pm to UpToPar
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When my dog barks because someone is either breaking my window before climbing through, kicking my door before entering, or jumping my fence to get to my backdoor, I will have plenty of time to grab my gun that is within arms length before he is close enough to hear me. Yet you continue to add actions to make it seem more improbable. All I am suggesting is that I can grab my gun before an intruder is able to hear me do so.
Granted I don't know the layout of your home. I am going by mine, and the generic setup of most homes being a front yard with a gated/fenced back yard. If you have animals that roam the property as an early warning yes, you could. However in that case I would still go with the shotgun in the home because it is less chance to miss, I would just upgrade to semi-auto.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:20 pm to fightin tigers
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You stated yours was in a safe, don't you have to open that?
Link?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:21 pm to UpToPar
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But Darth Vaders post suggested they should get a pump because the sound would likely scare them off. Sounds like he was suggesting a gun based on the sound it makes. I simply pointed out that this was stupid for multiple reasons.
If only you and your wife are home, I think you're wrong. The shotgun is best for the spread. The pump is best for the reliability AND THE SOUND of racking. The intruder MAY leave after hearing the sound. This may let you avoid a possible gun fight. If not, I will be behind the bed and awaiting the intruder's execution, as soon as the door opens.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 12:21 pm to UpToPar
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But Darth Vaders post suggested they should get a pump because the sound would likely scare them off. Sounds like he was suggesting a gun based on the sound it makes. I simply pointed out that this was stupid for multiple reasons.
No, you misread my post. The fact that racking a pump shotgun can scare away an intruder is only one reason a 12 gauge pump is best for home defense. I have spelled out the other reasons more than once in this thread.
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 12:22 pm
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