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re: Age this fella
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:08 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:08 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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quote:New property I'm hunting in the Atlanta SuburbsWhat's the deal with this and giant bucks? Never knew this to be a thing until recently
Its been that way for years only folks kept it quite. Some HUGE deer in metro and even within the city limits of Atlanta. I used to hunt ducks on a beaver swamp in SW Atlanta just a short distance down the Chattahoochee River from 6 flags...maybe 2 miles...and there were some monsters in there...old boy made it clear I could shoot all the ducks, dove and quail I wanted to on that place but the deer were his and his alone...and I was OK with that!
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:14 pm to Louie
4.5 tops. I’d cull his arse
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:16 pm to Louie
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It's Clayton County. No rifle hunting in Clayton, Dekalb, or Fulton. This is on a ton of acreage, so it's not necessarily an outlier. There is plenty of hunting pressure here. It is completely different than what you see happening in Fulton County...
in the Flint River Swamp, perhaps? Also some fine duck hunting in Clayton County in the head waters of the Flint River....are there was back in the 80's. The area has probably been drained but back in the day it was very good..and full of big bream
Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:31 pm to Gtmodawg
The water authority area. It’s been good to us for a few years. I killed a 120, nice deer 3 1/2. Buddy killed a 150 last year. No ducks of course, but hear a ton. Head to Oklahoma annually for that bit of fun. Lots of deer and it’s hunted pretty regularly considering it’s in the city limits.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:33 pm to Outdoorreb
That’s the plan, just curious if his age. I know there are some monsters and it’s early. There will be many more start showing up on camera the closer we get to bow season. Just found this guy interesting.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:23 pm to Louie
I’ll take the contrarian position.
He’s young. I’m guessing him at 1.5yo. His second rack.
They pack on quite a bit of antler over the final month. He’ll see some growth between now and September.
All considered, no mass. No real tine length. Spread is narrow. No secondary characteristics like kickers that you often see in 3 year olds and older.
Beyond that, got that long baby face. Back doesn’t sag and his paunch would be pretty pronounced if he was older.
That said, young deer.
Percent confidence - 95%
He’s young. I’m guessing him at 1.5yo. His second rack.
They pack on quite a bit of antler over the final month. He’ll see some growth between now and September.
All considered, no mass. No real tine length. Spread is narrow. No secondary characteristics like kickers that you often see in 3 year olds and older.
Beyond that, got that long baby face. Back doesn’t sag and his paunch would be pretty pronounced if he was older.
That said, young deer.
Percent confidence - 95%
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:25 pm to wiltznucs
I agree with your assessment Wiltz. I was surprised when folks were saying older than 3....but then again, I suck at aging deer on the hoof
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:28 pm to wiltznucs
I agree Wiltz. He doesn’t look old.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:46 pm to bbvdd
Surprised at most replies. 2-3 is my guess. No way that deer is much older.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:08 pm to TexasTiger1984
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I agree with your assessment Wiltz. I was surprised when folks were saying older than 3....but then again, I suck at aging deer on the hoof
It’s shocking to me how many folks believe the old wives tales of 1 point per year, etc.
Like fishing stories, people consistently overestimate deers age and score.
There’s some great information on the QDMA website about field judging whitetails.
There’s also some great information there about sound game management. There’s plenty of folks in Texas who’d tell you to shoot this deer because he’s weak and you want their genetics gone. James Kroll followed “weak” deer for years and you’d be amazed how much the racks changed from 1 to 2 years old. A simple drought made the racks look small and masked their true potential.
Aging them on the hoof is an inexact science; but, I’ll say this. If you see a 4 or 5 year old whitetail in most parts of the country there’s little doubt whether or not you’ll be shooting. They are giants and you’ll be tripping over yourself to get the gun out of the blind.
The data collected from dozens of States show the average whitetail buck harvested in the US hasn’t even seen its first birthday.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:43 pm to wiltznucs
It’s probably because most people don’t get to see a deer really progress in age & physical development
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:12 pm to wiltznucs
There is no way in Hell that deer is 1.5. He has way too much body unless this pic is from Minnesota/Michigan and I missed it.
Those droughts you mentioned were “Texas Droughts” not Georgia droughts.
Those droughts you mentioned were “Texas Droughts” not Georgia droughts.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:30 pm to Outdoorreb
Sorry fella; facts are facts, that’s a young deer. After he loses his velvet he’ll be hard pressed to score 70 inches. James Kroll aka “Dr Deer” has studied deer for decades across the country. I mean, he literally wrote the book that every game manager in the country uses. Empirical data from thousands of deer doesn’t lie. I would defer to your opinion; but, that goes against 30 years of empirical evidence. That heavyweight you speak of is about 120lbs on the hoof. He’s a baby, the fact he’s running with another 1.5 year old tells you all you need to know.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:50 pm to wiltznucs
Louie has some Hellacious genetics on that property if that fricker is 1 year old.
It’s even funnier you believe that fricker was born last July.
It’s even funnier you believe that fricker was born last July.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:50 pm to wiltznucs
I’d agree if he didn’t have such a pronounced brisket area. Other pictures I have of them, he is much larger, rounder in the mid section.
Not sure what strain was brought to this area, but Michigan deer were transplanted to middle Georgia. He may be young, considering the running with younger deer that would make sense. That’s why I asked opinions. Generally pretty easy to judge, due to the fact I’ve seen them year to year. This is a new property.
Not sure what strain was brought to this area, but Michigan deer were transplanted to middle Georgia. He may be young, considering the running with younger deer that would make sense. That’s why I asked opinions. Generally pretty easy to judge, due to the fact I’ve seen them year to year. This is a new property.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:52 pm to Outdoorreb
There are some awesome genetics. I still thinks he’s much older. He did have a point about running with two 2 1/2- 3 year olds. Not sure what this guy is, it’s odd.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:59 pm to Outdoorreb
Most GA whitetail deer drop their fawns in May. Typical 200 day gestation period.
As the son of a former GA DNR Biologist/Southern Company Environmental Impact Scientist who has had the occasion to weigh hundreds if not thousands of deer and witness jawbone aging by academics throughout my childhood/teens I can’t be more certain in my assessment.
He’s a pretty typical one year old who may get better with age. His buddy shown in the other photo has better potential at face value than he does.
As the son of a former GA DNR Biologist/Southern Company Environmental Impact Scientist who has had the occasion to weigh hundreds if not thousands of deer and witness jawbone aging by academics throughout my childhood/teens I can’t be more certain in my assessment.
He’s a pretty typical one year old who may get better with age. His buddy shown in the other photo has better potential at face value than he does.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:10 pm to Louie
I think he is 3 maybe 4 at the very oldest. If wiltz said he thought he was 2, I could ride with It because the camera is so close, and I can’t tell if he is standing on the side of a hill that makes his front legs look so short.
Saying he was born July of 2019, and then talking about how people aren’t educated enough to make proper age guesses is asinine.
Regardless of who’s opinion is right, you will be able to tell more about him in mid-late September. Hope you post some pictures of him then, and maybe a jawbone pic if you decide to shoot him.
Saying he was born July of 2019, and then talking about how people aren’t educated enough to make proper age guesses is asinine.
Regardless of who’s opinion is right, you will be able to tell more about him in mid-late September. Hope you post some pictures of him then, and maybe a jawbone pic if you decide to shoot him.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:45 pm to Outdoorreb
May-June doesn’t make much difference from July. I didn’t know Georgia’s rut was so early thanks for the information; it might come in handy in the future.
Since we are credential dropping, I have weighed hundreds of deer and pulled hundreds of jawbones. I have worked with Wildlife Biologists on aging deer/jaws, other data collections and habitat improvements on large tracts of land, it’s literally my job.
I could very well be wrong, but I doubt it. Hopefully we get more pics and a possible jawbone pic if he decides to try and kill him. I’ll admit it if I’m proven wrong, or if another set of pics can cause me to doubt what I said about him being 3.
Since we are credential dropping, I have weighed hundreds of deer and pulled hundreds of jawbones. I have worked with Wildlife Biologists on aging deer/jaws, other data collections and habitat improvements on large tracts of land, it’s literally my job.
I could very well be wrong, but I doubt it. Hopefully we get more pics and a possible jawbone pic if he decides to try and kill him. I’ll admit it if I’m proven wrong, or if another set of pics can cause me to doubt what I said about him being 3.
Posted on 7/30/20 at 12:27 am to wiltznucs
Respectfully due to your vast knowledge I appreciate your opinion. I have shot a deer in that area that was 3 1/2 similar body structure at this time of year that weighed in excess of 225 lbs.
This guy will be over 200 in October. I hope to see other deer soon. They tend to start moving in and out of the area in Mid August to early September, rut is usually early November. We shall see. Thanks for the opinion Wiltznucs.
This guy will be over 200 in October. I hope to see other deer soon. They tend to start moving in and out of the area in Mid August to early September, rut is usually early November. We shall see. Thanks for the opinion Wiltznucs.
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