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re: 1911 purchase/ Glock safety discussion

Posted on 2/23/11 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by cheapseat
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2004
6288 posts
Posted on 2/23/11 at 9:08 pm to
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I recently have started looking at the 1911's because you hear a ton about them and I want a new pistol but forgive my ignorance on the subject what is the draw of a 1911? I like the way they look, but it seems like there is a whole community that is in love with a 1911 and talk about other pistols as crap.


John Brownings classic. HISTORY The pistol of the United States military for 2 world wars, Korea, and Vietnam. Ergonomics.-Nothing feels like a thin bodied,crisp triggered,slab side 1911. The .45 one big slow bad arse caliber. 1911s have passed the test of time. Colt is the brand most associated with 1911s( the Baer, Wilson etc customs are just too expensive).Kimbers are fine, they sell the most 1911s ,meaning you will hear more whining about something that can be easily fixed on a Kimber 1911. What you dont hear is the thousands of Kimbers that run like a clock.Kimbers do seem to prefer wilson combat mags, for some reason.1911 s seem to be the pistol for gun enthusiests,if you want just a pistol for self defense , other models are cheaper and still go BOOM. If you want a piece of history and gun art , nothing beats a 1911. 1911s are tight and have to be broken in. 500 rds or so , thats a few bucks worth of ammo
I have a 1911 with the crimson trace grips ,I love these grips and the laser is very small, out of the way, most people wouldnt even notice it ,until it makes it self known to the target.Then it gets your attention,if the business end of a .45 hasnt already.If you want something just for defense Id go with some model that comes in single/ double with a decocker.Also a revolver is simple ,safe and great for self defense. If you want one gun for the rest of your life ,a 1911 is it. Personaly ,I dont like the safety or lack of on Glocks , Ive heard to many bad stories and know people that have had accidents with them, thankfully they are fine.
This post was edited on 2/23/11 at 9:37 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86531 posts
Posted on 2/23/11 at 9:42 pm to
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cheapseat
Enjoyed that. Thanks
Posted by tigerbait98
NWLA
Member since Aug 2006
3554 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:02 pm to










Finally made my decision and went with the Springfield Loaded PX104LP. I originally stated that I didnt want a bi-tone pistol but considering the deal I got on this one I was willing to compromise. After all, there's nothing that a few after market mods can't make better, right?

Modifications

1. feed ramp throated and polished

2. Aftermarket grips (alumnagrips)

3. Wilson combat 10 rd. mags (also got a couple of Chip McCormick 8rounders as well)

4. Parrish Bushing compensator.
It doesnt reduce recoil a whole bunch. I just think it looks bad arse
This post was edited on 3/12/11 at 7:09 am
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 4:18 am to
So, how much you have into it?
Posted by tigerbait98
NWLA
Member since Aug 2006
3554 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 7:08 am to
Dont have the exact number off hand but my guess would be $1000
Posted by BamaFan89
T-Town
Member since Dec 2009
19303 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:44 pm to
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Personaly ,I dont like the safety or lack of on Glocks , Ive heard to many bad stories and know people that have had accidents with them, thankfully they are fine.


Glocks have three seperate safeties which are all disengaged when you pull the trigger. If you don't pull the trigger the Glock is just as safe as any other gun.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86531 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 4:57 pm to
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are all disengaged when you pull the trigger
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If you don't pull the trigger


In other words, Glocks have no safety. Call their system whatever you want, but it doesn't include a safety in the traditional sense of the word. A saftey prevents an intentional discharge and the gun will not fire when the trigger is pulled when activated.
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 5:37 pm to
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A saftey prevents an intentional discharge


are you kidding? a safety prevents an UNintentional discharge. If you pull the trigger you intentionally shot the gun. Whether or not you were smart enough to make sure it was unloaded, pointed in a safe direction or you're ready to kill makes no difference. You should write GOD, if you believe in that kind of thing, a letter and tell him to make PEOPLE with more safeties.
This post was edited on 3/12/11 at 5:38 pm
Posted by BamaFan89
T-Town
Member since Dec 2009
19303 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 6:38 pm to
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Call their system whatever you want, but it doesn't include a safety in the traditional sense of the word


So just because there isn't an external lever on the Glock means they don't have safeties?

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A saftey prevents an intentional discharge

No they prevent unintentional discharges
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33553 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 7:09 pm to
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cheapseat


I agree, Ive had three Kimbers (Eclipse Pro, Gold Match, and TLE/RL Pro) and all ran fine.

I trade guns like crazy so I think my current Kimber will be up for sale soon. Ive caught the long range bug.

Posted by DrTyger
Covington
Member since Oct 2009
22325 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 7:21 pm to
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I trade guns like crazy so I think my current Kimber will be up for sale soon. Ive caught the long range bug.


What kind is it? I might be willing to take it off your hands.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46105 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 9:40 pm to
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In other words, Glocks have no safety. Call their system whatever you want, but it doesn't include a safety in the traditional sense of the word. A saftey prevents an intentional discharge and the gun will not fire when the trigger is pulled when activated.



Here's a simple formula for avoiding stupid accidents with a Glock. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you are committed to killing whatever is in front of you. And really, that is gun safety 101 regardless of the manufacturer.

As far as accidental discharges go, an external safety doesn't prevent those from happening.
This post was edited on 3/12/11 at 9:43 pm
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33553 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 9:59 pm to
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What kind is it? I might be willing to take it off your hands.


The TLE/RL Pro. You can email me at my screen name @gmail.com.
Posted by DrTyger
Covington
Member since Oct 2009
22325 posts
Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:30 pm to
No thanks. I'm looking for a warrior.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86531 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:13 am to
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Here's a simple formula for avoiding stupid accidents with a Glock. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you are committed to killing whatever is in front of you. And really, that is gun safety 101 regardless of the manufacturer.

As far as accidental discharges go, an external safety doesn't prevent those from happening.


Totally agree. That doesn't mean a Glock has a safety. We all know it doesn't. If this issue were as simple as Glock apologists make it, none of my guns would have a safety, yet they all do. Heck, even my Benjamin pump has a safety.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86531 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:16 am to
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So just because there isn't an external lever on the Glock means they don't have safeties?
Pretty close. I would phrase it as: Because a Glock has no means to prevent a fire(intentional/unintentional-whatever) when the trigger is pulled, it does not have a safety. Now, if the Glock peeps want to call the device that does this something other than a safety, that's fine. Just remember, these things were called safties long before Glock existed.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18010 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:47 am to
I just became a Glock factory certified armeror. They do indeed have three internal safetys. They do not have accidental discharges like so many claim. You can drop one off of a building and it will not fire. The only way that gun fires is to pull the trigger.

They WILL fire without a magazine in them with a round chambered.
Posted by Tbobby
Member since Dec 2006
4358 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:59 pm to
Why is Glock even mentioned in a 1911 thread? That is like a Kia compared to an Aston Martin.
Posted by tigerbait98
NWLA
Member since Aug 2006
3554 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:04 pm to
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Why is Glock even mentioned in a 1911 thread?


Excellent question. Was just sitting here wondering if anyone saw the pics I posted and or wanted to comment on them
Posted by DrTyger
Covington
Member since Oct 2009
22325 posts
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:10 pm to
Some Glock hostility going on in here.

I own an 1911 AND a Glock. The 1911 is my favorite, but I love my Glock too. Easy to use, fun to shoot, easy to break down and clean, durable as hell, and it's never jammed on me once.

As for the "safety" issue; they don't accidentally discharge. I've dropped mine off of a elevated dock (about two stories up) onto concrete and not only did it not discharge, it didn't have a mark on it. And if you're dumb enough to put your finger on the trigger before you want to shoot it then you shouldn't own a handgun anyway.

1911's and Glocks can coexist. Everybody be friends.
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