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Radiation effects - Nuclear explosion

Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:10 am
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:10 am
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This guy is well respected in Houston and in the oilfield. He just might be right. If so...I wonder what would be the effects of radiation on South LA and the fish/wildlife at 5,000ft. deep and 48 miles away from the coast?
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:15 am to
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This guy is well respected in Houston and in the oilfield. He just might be right. If so...I wonder what would be the effects of radiation on South LA and the fish/wildlife at 5,000ft. deep and 48 miles away from the coast?
Water is a GREAT radiation shield I think.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
41326 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:42 am to
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Water is a GREAT radiation shield I think.


True, probably the best for neutron radiation since it's roughly the same size as the hydrogen atom in water. Neutron radiation is ionizing radiation, and therefore the most likely to hurt you. Alpha particle is the worst for you, but your dead layer of skin will stop it. Ingesting it is super bad. Gamma radiation is the other type, and water isn't that good at stopping it, you need a heavy metal. The good thing about water not stopping it is that our body is mostly water, so it generally just passes right through us.

5000 ft of water is a helluva shield. It may kill some fish, but it won't make mutant fish. We studied bomb effects pretty good after Nagasaki.
Posted by trout
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:45 am to
The nuke wouldn't be exploded on the sea floor. but more than 10,000 feet below. It would seal the leak by collapsing the rock. I don't think there would be any radiation escaping. Watch this video to get an idea of how this could work (and I'm not saying it would, that's for geologists to assess):

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Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:46 am to
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you need a heavy metal


Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23750 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:52 am to
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so it generally just passes right through us.


yeah and breaking your DNA on its way
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:59 am to
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The nuke wouldn't be exploded on the sea floor. but more than 10,000 feet below.

By drilling another well I suppose?
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
1748 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 9:59 am to
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The nuke wouldn't be exploded on the sea floor. but more than 10,000 feet below. It would seal the leak by collapsing the rock. I don't think there would be any radiation escaping. Watch this video to get an idea of how this could work (and I'm not saying it would, that's for geologists to assess):


That makes perfect sense. If it's done like that then it should mostly be contained within the sea floor and we wouldn't have much to worry about. However....wouldn't that cause a serious Tsunami?? only 48 miles away from the coast, i'd hate to see another Thailand incident.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 10:04 am to
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However....wouldn't that cause a serious Tsunami?? only 48 miles away from the coast, i'd hate to see another Thailand incident.
I am assuming this would be much smaller tactical nuke than you common warhead.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 10:15 am to
By the time they got the special nuke made to fit in the well bore and drilled a 10000 ft hole big enough to fit the bomb down you could drill 3 or 4 relief wells.
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
32608 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 10:19 am to
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By the time they got the special nuke made to fit in the well bore and drilled a 10000 ft hole big enough to fit the bomb down you could drill 3 or 4 relief wells.
Relief wells aren't a guaranteed fix either. I don't think you need a giant bore hole. You could probably drill a relief well, and if the casing or the hole is damaged in such a way that you can't make use of it as a relief well, you could probably drop a tactical nuke down there and give that a shot.

This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 10:20 am
Posted by Northwestern tiger
Long Island NY
Member since Oct 2005
23750 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 10:25 am to
shouda have listened to the russian from day one and nuked it
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
1748 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 10:45 am to
Matt Simmons knows his shite. They need to quit messing around with a "cap" and blow the leak to hell!! It seems like the nuke is around 90% if not 100% gauranteed to stop the flow, where as there is MAJOR doubt in the relief wells being the solution. if there's that much doubt in the relief not working then lets stop wasting time just to find out if it "might" work. Let's send a nuke down there and end this shite!!
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 12:49 pm to
Good luck finding a neuron bomb that will fit down a 10000 ft cased hole without having it specially made. The bomb would have to be pressure proofed for use this deep. Not something u just pickup at walmart.
I realize it is agonizing to just wait around for the relief well but that is the only viable option now.
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
1748 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 3:04 pm to
These guys did it!! Hahaha






Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52479 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 3:24 pm to
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The nuke wouldn't be exploded on the sea floor. but more than 10,000 feet below


I don't buy this. At ALL.

An underground exposion, especially one that deep, could possible cause more harm than good with regard to stopping the flow.

I can see a detonation around 200 meters above the hole doing good though.

As for radiation, the concern isn't the immediate burst of radiation, it is the release of radioactive materials produced by the burst. The concern for this was so great, that the bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were air bursts so that ground materials were not sucked into the maw of the radioactive reactions thus worsening the contaimination.

Of the main components of seawater, only sodium is a concern for induced radioactivity, and even then, with a fairly short half life it will dissipate rapidly. The cost of that is the fact it is highly radioactive during that time.

The main concern will probably be unfissioned fuel from the bomb itself getting free. For all human intents and purposes, that radiation will remain forever and might spread vastly via ocean currents.


But of course, this is just talking about practical impact. You detonate a nuke out there, even one underground, and no one will want to ever touch Gulf seafood for a very, very, very long time. Even if there is no concern for contaimination.

This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 3:34 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52479 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 3:27 pm to
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We studied bomb effects pretty good after Nagasaki.


Not a good representative of this, as it was an airburst that caused no local fallout
This post was edited on 6/18/10 at 3:28 pm
Posted by CajunZ81
Mexico City
Member since Jun 2010
1748 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 3:28 pm to
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I don't buy this. At ALL.

An underground exposion, especially one that deep, could possible cause more harm than good with regard to stopping the flow.

I can see a detonation around 200 meters above the hole doing good though.

As for radiation, the concern isn't the immediate burst of radiation, it is the release of radioactive materials produced by the burst. The concern for this was so great, that the bombs used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were air bursts so that ground materials were not sucked into the maw of the radioactive reactions thus worsening the contaimination.

Of the main components of seawater, only sodium is a concern for induced radioactivity, and even then, with a fairly short half life it will dissipate rapidly. The cost of that is the fact it is highly radioactive during that time.

The main concern will probably be unfissioned fuel from the bomb itself getting free. For all human intents and purposes, that radiation will remain forever.


But of course, this is just talking about practical impact. You detonate a nuke out there, even one underground, and no one will want to ever touch Gulf seafood for a very, very, very long time. Even if there is no concern for contaimination.


Good point.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 4:08 pm to
nothing stops gamma radiation at all. Gamma rays emitted from the sun go through everything on this earth, up to and including the earth.
Posted by horndog
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Member since Apr 2007
11654 posts
Posted on 6/18/10 at 4:53 pm to
What if the explosion causes an earthquake and South Louisiana slides into the ocean b/c of the looseness of the ground there?

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