- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message

Couple of technical questions
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:12 am
Hi guys, I'm new here. I stumbled upon this forum and it looks like there are a few knowledgeable guys/engineers on here, so please allow me to ask a couple of questions as to what is going on at the bottom of the Gulf.
First, they cut that riser off to put a collection cap on is, the cut didn't come out as smooth as they had hoped, hence the cap isn't getting a good seal. Right?
Looks like that cut was made about a foot above the riser flange that is bolted to the top of the BOP. You can see the bolts.
Why didnt/don't they just unscrew that flange and take it off? Wouldn't that give them a perfect mating surface to attach a seal to? Or, for that matter, install a complete new riser?
Second, the original attempt of a containment dome failed.
At the time they were trying to implement it, the bent over riser was still attached to the BOP. For that reason, the original 100 ton dome had a slit in one of its sides to fit over the riser lying on the sea floor. I'm not going to look for links now, but I clearly remember seeing that on pictures.
Naturally, that didn't allow for a perfect seal against the water, which is at 2,200 psi at that depth.
Water got sucked/pushed into the dome, hydrates formed, pipes got clogged, FAIL.
Now the riser is cut off.
Wouldn't this be a perfect time to go back to the old BIG dome? They could close up the slit, sink that thing 15 feet into the mud (which is what they supposedly did the first time), and without that slit for the riser, shouldn't they get a perfect seal? Suck all the water out of the dome = no more hydrate formation, 100% containment.
What am I missing here?
Thanks for your insight, gentlemen.
Trout
First, they cut that riser off to put a collection cap on is, the cut didn't come out as smooth as they had hoped, hence the cap isn't getting a good seal. Right?
Looks like that cut was made about a foot above the riser flange that is bolted to the top of the BOP. You can see the bolts.
Why didnt/don't they just unscrew that flange and take it off? Wouldn't that give them a perfect mating surface to attach a seal to? Or, for that matter, install a complete new riser?
Second, the original attempt of a containment dome failed.
At the time they were trying to implement it, the bent over riser was still attached to the BOP. For that reason, the original 100 ton dome had a slit in one of its sides to fit over the riser lying on the sea floor. I'm not going to look for links now, but I clearly remember seeing that on pictures.
Naturally, that didn't allow for a perfect seal against the water, which is at 2,200 psi at that depth.
Water got sucked/pushed into the dome, hydrates formed, pipes got clogged, FAIL.
Now the riser is cut off.
Wouldn't this be a perfect time to go back to the old BIG dome? They could close up the slit, sink that thing 15 feet into the mud (which is what they supposedly did the first time), and without that slit for the riser, shouldn't they get a perfect seal? Suck all the water out of the dome = no more hydrate formation, 100% containment.
What am I missing here?
Thanks for your insight, gentlemen.
Trout
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:31 am to trout
The first top hat was a dog and pony show. Take a look the the CNN clip here and notice the 1 inch holes at the top of the hat leading to what appears to be a 6 inch riser. There was no way this was going to work. They are going to send 1000s of barrels of crude through a 1 inch hole? This thing was designed for failure. Only you can guess why.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:34 am to Spitfire
quote:
They are going to send 1000s of barrels of crude through a 1 inch hole?
happens all the time FWIW
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:54 am to trout
Not entirely sure, but don't think dome is big enough to cover BOP.
On the other topic, unbolting flanges and rebolting flanges with pressure is hard enough on land with with winch trucks and dozers to pull things in place, I would think next to impossible to do in the water, no matter the depth.
On the other topic, unbolting flanges and rebolting flanges with pressure is hard enough on land with with winch trucks and dozers to pull things in place, I would think next to impossible to do in the water, no matter the depth.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:08 pm to SD 71
quote:
On the other topic, unbolting flanges and rebolting flanges with pressure is hard enough on land with with winch trucks and dozers to pull things in place, I would think next to impossible to do in the water, no matter the depth.
I am not at all expert in such matters, but my thinking is that given the operating conditions and inherently experimental nature, BP probably wanted to take the fewest number of steps possible even at the expense of a less than perfect solution. Better to be sure you'll get 60% containment than to take a risk of nothing at all. Another failure was the last thing they needed.
So even if they could have tweaked the solution a bit I can understand why they wouldn't have.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:24 pm to foshizzle
unbolting the riser connection is within the realm of possibility, but i think the fear is this: what happens if we can't make up a flange back to it? in that case it may have been easier to make up to the cut end, which would be something like 21" OD, rather than trying to get over the much larger flange OD.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:48 pm to oilfieldtiger
Oilfieldtiger
Brought this up earlier, could they have sent down a threader and threaded the riser the screw on a flange valve and closed it? I doubt they make a threader that big but was just wondering.
Brought this up earlier, could they have sent down a threader and threaded the riser the screw on a flange valve and closed it? I doubt they make a threader that big but was just wondering.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:58 pm to GREENHEAD22
Possibly so, but the current situation is still a huge win for BP.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:05 pm to GREENHEAD22
got me. not really my area of expertise.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:08 pm to oilfieldtiger
As long as the riser was straight can you think of a reason why it wouldn't work? If had a 6ft or better piece that was not bent i cant see why it wouldn't work.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:09 pm to GREENHEAD22
i don't know that they had that kind of length to work w/.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:11 pm to oilfieldtiger
Im not sure they did, not sure how far up the bend was in the riser.
Popular
Back to top
