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Couple of technical questions

Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:12 am
Posted by trout
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:12 am
Hi guys, I'm new here. I stumbled upon this forum and it looks like there are a few knowledgeable guys/engineers on here, so please allow me to ask a couple of questions as to what is going on at the bottom of the Gulf.

First, they cut that riser off to put a collection cap on is, the cut didn't come out as smooth as they had hoped, hence the cap isn't getting a good seal. Right?

Looks like that cut was made about a foot above the riser flange that is bolted to the top of the BOP. You can see the bolts.

Why didnt/don't they just unscrew that flange and take it off? Wouldn't that give them a perfect mating surface to attach a seal to? Or, for that matter, install a complete new riser?



Second, the original attempt of a containment dome failed.

At the time they were trying to implement it, the bent over riser was still attached to the BOP. For that reason, the original 100 ton dome had a slit in one of its sides to fit over the riser lying on the sea floor. I'm not going to look for links now, but I clearly remember seeing that on pictures.

Naturally, that didn't allow for a perfect seal against the water, which is at 2,200 psi at that depth.

Water got sucked/pushed into the dome, hydrates formed, pipes got clogged, FAIL.

Now the riser is cut off.

Wouldn't this be a perfect time to go back to the old BIG dome? They could close up the slit, sink that thing 15 feet into the mud (which is what they supposedly did the first time), and without that slit for the riser, shouldn't they get a perfect seal? Suck all the water out of the dome = no more hydrate formation, 100% containment.

What am I missing here?


Thanks for your insight, gentlemen.

Trout
Posted by Spitfire
tokyo
Member since Mar 2005
125 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:31 am to
The first top hat was a dog and pony show. Take a look the the CNN clip here and notice the 1 inch holes at the top of the hat leading to what appears to be a 6 inch riser. There was no way this was going to work. They are going to send 1000s of barrels of crude through a 1 inch hole? This thing was designed for failure. Only you can guess why.

LINK
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49516 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:34 am to
quote:

They are going to send 1000s of barrels of crude through a 1 inch hole?

happens all the time FWIW
Posted by SD 71
DeWitt County, Texas
Member since May 2010
56 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:54 am to
Not entirely sure, but don't think dome is big enough to cover BOP.
On the other topic, unbolting flanges and rebolting flanges with pressure is hard enough on land with with winch trucks and dozers to pull things in place, I would think next to impossible to do in the water, no matter the depth.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

On the other topic, unbolting flanges and rebolting flanges with pressure is hard enough on land with with winch trucks and dozers to pull things in place, I would think next to impossible to do in the water, no matter the depth.


I am not at all expert in such matters, but my thinking is that given the operating conditions and inherently experimental nature, BP probably wanted to take the fewest number of steps possible even at the expense of a less than perfect solution. Better to be sure you'll get 60% containment than to take a risk of nothing at all. Another failure was the last thing they needed.

So even if they could have tweaked the solution a bit I can understand why they wouldn't have.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:24 pm to
unbolting the riser connection is within the realm of possibility, but i think the fear is this: what happens if we can't make up a flange back to it? in that case it may have been easier to make up to the cut end, which would be something like 21" OD, rather than trying to get over the much larger flange OD.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20092 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:48 pm to
Oilfieldtiger


Brought this up earlier, could they have sent down a threader and threaded the riser the screw on a flange valve and closed it? I doubt they make a threader that big but was just wondering.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:58 pm to
Possibly so, but the current situation is still a huge win for BP.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:05 pm to
got me. not really my area of expertise.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20092 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:08 pm to
As long as the riser was straight can you think of a reason why it wouldn't work? If had a 6ft or better piece that was not bent i cant see why it wouldn't work.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:09 pm to
i don't know that they had that kind of length to work w/.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20092 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:11 pm to
Im not sure they did, not sure how far up the bend was in the riser.
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