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re: CBS News turned away by BP and Coast Guard
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:32 pm to TheHiddenFlask
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:32 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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Would you like to share why you desire to see a dolphin dying in a puddle of crude oil?
I dont like hearing about the collapse of Greece.
I dont enjoy seeing our politicians caught with interns.
I dont enjoy hearing or seeing coffins come back from a war zone.
However, these AND the dying dolphin resulted from one of the worst ecological disasters ever are in fact news worthy events.
Now if they are caught transporting in cute little animals and going down to the local Jiffy Lube and dousing them to push an agenda, you have a point. However, that is not what is happening, and hiding from the truth does no one any good in the long or short term.
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I believe they are in violation of the law against "inciting a riot" when they do such things,
If you RIOT at the reporting of the news, brother, you got some issues.
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Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:01 pm to davidsheroes
That is such a load of bullshite. Are they stopping work vessels (unrelated to clean up) from transiting south pass? Did the cbs crew try and get out of the boat. Surely someone on here knows the capt of the boat that was stopped.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:37 pm to TheHiddenFlask
The freedom of the press does not come with an addendum that it must be good reporting. The quality of CBS reporting is simply irrelevant.
Now, there could be legitimate reasons for not allowing a reporter into a certain area...safety, etc. I don't but those reasons in this case, but I'll hear them out. On the other hand, your argument citing your disdain for media sensationalism really is not holding water.
Now, there could be legitimate reasons for not allowing a reporter into a certain area...safety, etc. I don't but those reasons in this case, but I'll hear them out. On the other hand, your argument citing your disdain for media sensationalism really is not holding water.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 10:20 pm to bicurious
They have turned back LSU vessels from going to collect samples even with a sampling permit 
Posted on 5/21/10 at 7:21 am to tigerfoot
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I dont like hearing about the collapse of Greece.
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I dont enjoy seeing our politicians caught with interns.
I assume you once again mean hearing about, unless they are making sex tapes now.
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I dont enjoy hearing or seeing coffins come back from a war zone.
Coffins are one thing, but to be comparable to the situation, it would have to be the war mangled bodies, outside of the coffin.
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However, these AND the dying dolphin resulted from one of the worst ecological disasters ever are in fact news worthy events.
I agree with this 100%
Not getting video of the beach is not stopping them from reporting about the situation. I don't want to silence the media, I just don't see why them not being able to go to the beach is stopping them. The only thing they will do there is get footage of the afore mentioned dying animals.
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hiding from the truth does no one any good in the long or short term.
I would love the truth, I'm just skeptical about who's a more reliable source of truth, a self serving BP or a media outlet that is trying to produce the most eye catching report, void of the facts.
In this situation, I prefer to leave it to the government.
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If you RIOT at the reporting of the news, brother, you got some issues.
I never even came close to saying I would riot over the news. I said that environmentalist whack jobs like these guys would so something irrational.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 12:49 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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In this situation, I prefer to leave it to the government.
why? do you think they have been honest and unbiased in all matters?
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I don't want to silence the media
you just want to censor their content, we get it.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 12:53 pm to el tigre
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why? do you think they have been honest and unbiased in all matters?
No, I'm pretty distrusting of the government. But, in this case, they are the most reliable source, IMO.
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you just want to censor their content, we get it.
No, I just don't see why it's such an outrage that camera crews aren't going to be allowed into an ecological disaster site. When the time comes and this all shakes out, let them in. Until then, there is no pressing need at all.
I'm willing to bet if anyone walked up there and tried to gain access, they would be denied. What makes some jackass with a CBS camera any different?
Posted on 5/21/10 at 12:57 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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I'm willing to bet if anyone walked up there and tried to gain access, they would be denied. What makes some jackass with a CBS camera any different?
b/c free flow of non sensitive information is a pretty damn important pillar of American society. This isn't war or military intelligence that needs to be kept private for obvious reasons.
A lot of the country has no clue how bad this thing really is. Images help the mass public see the severity of the situation. As already mentioned a million times public pressure often drives aid and action....which we need.
Not sure why you can't see this.
This post was edited on 5/21/10 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:11 pm to el tigre
If it was the National Guard or Coast Guard refusing them access due to some real danger, I could understand. But for a private company to deny access to public land with no real safety concerns is just wrong. The real reason they were denied is the same reason BP took 4 weeks to release video of the wellhead.
Only on rare occasions should the media not be allowed to cover a story that affects each of us. What we do with that information is up for us to decide. What can be deemed as accurate is also up for us to decide. I'm sure there are some out there who do believe everything that they hear in the media, but that's really beside the point.
Only on rare occasions should the media not be allowed to cover a story that affects each of us. What we do with that information is up for us to decide. What can be deemed as accurate is also up for us to decide. I'm sure there are some out there who do believe everything that they hear in the media, but that's really beside the point.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:18 pm to el tigre
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b/c free flow of non sensitive information is a pretty damn important pillar of American society. This isn't war or military intelligence that needs to be kept private for obvious reasons.
I just give you this. I don't really disagree with it that much and I don't want to play devil's advocate for it any more.
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A lot of the country has no clue how bad this thing really is. Images help the mass public see the severity of the situation. As already mentioned a million times public pressure often drives aid and action....which we need.
So are you claiming that pictures of the actual beach are going to give a better perspective than the satellite photos that show the spill, in it's entirety? At the end of the day, there's no real reason that they need to be there, whether they should be allowed to or not because of freedom of the press is something that is way above my pay grade. However, I still maintain that all that could possibly come out of that footage is irrational hatred. Let the footage come out after the well has been stopped if it's so vital. There are priorities that need to be kept in line and having officials monitor people taking pictures of dead sea turtles is pretty low on the list.
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Not sure why you can't see this.
Because you have already admitted that you want this to come out for your own personal, divisive reasons.
That's okay, but don't start beating your chest about the rights of the people and the need for them to understand the severity of the situation.
If they can't figure it out from the oil slick that is miles wide, then they aren't worth trying to help.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:25 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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If they can't figure it out from the oil slick that is miles wide, then they aren't worth trying to help.
My concern is helping our coast and marshes.
my concern is not trying to make 250 million morons understand the exact complexities of this spill. If that is your mission, good luck.
satellite images, data, and government reports aren't going to fix stupid.
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Let the footage come out after the well has been stopped if it's so vital.
yes, no need for a nationwide sense of urgency in this matter. How silly of me.....
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:26 pm to GM4UA
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Only on rare occasions should the media not be allowed to cover a story that affects each of us. What we do with that information is up for us to decide. What can be deemed as accurate is also up for us to decide. I'm sure there are some out there who do believe everything that they hear in the media, but that's really beside the point.
exactly.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:49 pm to el tigre
Got to admit, the media had better access to the war in Iraq than this oil spill
Posted on 5/21/10 at 1:50 pm to el tigre
Anybody ever hear of the phrase "A picture is worth a thousand words"?
I think that's what el tigre is trying to say, and I think he's right. It's important to give people the images to help them understand the severity of the situation. Whether or not they respond with "irrational hatred" is up to that individual person and their own responsibility...but there are a lot of people out there who don't know what the Louisiana coastal wetlands look like and how special they are, and pictures will help educate them.
I think that's what el tigre is trying to say, and I think he's right. It's important to give people the images to help them understand the severity of the situation. Whether or not they respond with "irrational hatred" is up to that individual person and their own responsibility...but there are a lot of people out there who don't know what the Louisiana coastal wetlands look like and how special they are, and pictures will help educate them.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:10 pm to Big L
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but there are a lot of people out there who don't know what the Louisiana coastal wetlands look like and how special they are, and pictures will help educate them.
Agree, I think someone posted on here the other day that all you have to do is to replace the contaimainted sand on the beach
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:58 pm to Kajungee
Okay, you guys win.
I have to stop getting sucked in to playing devils advocate. I don't even understand how I got to this point in the argument and I'm not really sure what my point was, besides, "no big deal, in the grander scheme".
I have to stop getting sucked in to playing devils advocate. I don't even understand how I got to this point in the argument and I'm not really sure what my point was, besides, "no big deal, in the grander scheme".
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:41 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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I have to stop getting sucked in to playing devils advocate
Suffice to say are no winners in this situation
Posted on 5/21/10 at 7:57 pm to Kajungee
Gee, its very discouraging. I have never in my life seen professors storm out of a meeting. BP is either extremely dense or playing hardball and dont give a flying f$&#.
we are in it for the long haul buddy
we are in it for the long haul buddy
Posted on 5/21/10 at 8:11 pm to Mudminnow
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Got to admit, the media had better access to the war in Iraq than this oil spill
This is so true. We saw on live television - our tanks march into Iraq, Bagdad Bob giving his infamous speeches, and the chaos of the battlefield in the middle of gunfire.
But for some reason, we can't get the truth about an oil rig 75 miles off of the Louisiana coast, we can't get national media to send out their investigative reporters, and we can't get our fisherman and shrimpers, etc, the kind of help and support they need. Something is wrong with this picture. We know BP is not telling the truth about the 5000 gallons a day spillage, they even admitted so. Why can't we send the Navy in, send the BEST engineers in from around the country, build levees of to protect our coast from the oil? I know this all of this is far fetched and exaggerated. but it seems like BP is not thinking out of the box to save our land and it seems like they are playing defense with our future.
Why does BP continue to put up this charade, a farce?
It's about time the national media pull out all stops and find out what's really going on.
This post was edited on 5/21/10 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/22/10 at 2:43 pm to davidsheroes
As each day goes by, the excuses continue to mount by BP and the federal government. We are reliving Katrina all over again, but the difference is. we have a corporate giant - BP running the show. On WWL radio this morning, oil cleanup workers from grand Isle called into the show and said they were not getting paid or taken care of by BP. And when 1 of the workers mentioned this to a BP official - they were fired. Make no mistake about it, this a corporation cutting corners every step of the way to save a dime regardless how it hurts the environment or the people.
This post was edited on 5/22/10 at 11:36 pm
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