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re: BP Reveals 'Fundamental Mistake' on Oil Well

Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:42 am to
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:42 am to
I didn't get the feeling that the Shell former CEO was on a high horse at all ... he was asked a question and just stated an answer. That's how the interview ended.

I also got the impression that he was not saying every company should have them on standby ... just NOW doing cleanup.

And BROffshore, my son just graduated from hs ... good kid, 4.0, actually has a life too. He's wanting to major in environmental engineering ... he's going to do a year or 2 before committing to a discipline ... seems that MOST (not all) classes are somewhat crossed over.
Good luck with your degree ... I definitely understand the finances thing and I'm glad you have the support of your company. Guess that says a lot about you and them!
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:52 am to
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Good luck with your degree ... I definitely understand the finances thing and I'm glad you have the support of your company. Guess that says a lot about you and them!


Thanks for that. And good luck to your son also. What's a big hurdle for me is the fact that I've got 3 kids, a full time job, I'm 32, and starting an engineering degree.

Both the company that I'm employed with, and the one I contract for, have been a blessing when I went and spoke to them about this.

My job is a dead end, and I know that, only because of my limitations. I finally decided I want to remain in this field, and found a way to go to school, and come out close to what I'm making already so there won't be any deductions in salary.

I got the same feeling from the interview. I'm gonna check it out again and see if anything comes across like Taxing was saying.
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:54 am to
quote:

I didn't get the feeling that the Shell former CEO was on a high horse at all ...
Fair enough. I may be taking his response out of context.

quote:

I also got the impression that he was not saying every company should have them on standby ... just NOW doing cleanup.
Thats the thing, you just pull a supertanker with a topside production package out of your buttocks. What he describes is an FPSO. Even if you simplified the production equipment... The lead time would be far longer than the time to drill a relief well. Not to mention putting a large tanker on charter isn't exactly instantaneous either.

Further, the onsite rig has the capability of separating and storing enough produced fluid to make shuttling with a barge possible. This what they are using for the siphon tube. Don't know the exact numbers on the rigs capacity, but if it's enough to test the well... It should be enough for recovering after a blow out. Or am I missing something?
Posted by BROffshoreTigerFan
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:02 am to
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Thats the thing, you just pull a supertanker with a topside production package out of your buttocks. What he describes is an FPSO. Even if you simplified the production equipment... The lead time would be far longer than the time to drill a relief well. Not to mention putting a large tanker on charter isn't exactly instantaneous either.


I understand those points completely. Maybe if this option was presented 34 days ago, things would have worked differently. Maybe it wouldn't have worked at all.

I am clueless as to whether or not the rig can be used for the same purposes.
Posted by mylsuhat
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:04 am to
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FPSO

they only have 1 in the gulf currently right now, correct?
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 11:49 am to
quote:

they only have 1 in the gulf currently right now, correct?

Petrobras' Cascade/Chinook project
Posted by Eauxkie Tiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 9:41 pm to
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In its internal investigation, BP also flags up cement problems, adding that the float collar initially did not operate as intended - it appears it took nine attempts with higher than usual pressures to get the float to bump.


Seems to this woulda been a big red flag. 9 tries at bumping the plug? They had to be pumping fluid past it, screwing up the slurry. The least of your problems would be a wet shoe.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 9:44 pm to
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9 tries at bumping the plug?

only a 51 bbl slurry too.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:45 pm to
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FPSO


quote:

they only have 1 in the gulf currently right now, correct?


Incorrect.

They only have 1 in the US gulf waters. I believe there are 3 of them in Mexican waters.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 2:24 pm to
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Seems to this woulda been a big red flag. 9 tries at bumping the plug? They had to be pumping fluid past it, screwing up the slurry. The least of your problems would be a wet shoe.


Holy hell! How can you cancel your CBL's after this along with questionable negative pressure tests?

Anyone know whether they drilling 8 1/2 inch or 9 7/8 inch hole?
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 4:36 pm to
8 1/2" x 9 7/8" out of 9 7/8" liner.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:41 pm to
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8 1/2" x 9 7/8" out of 9 7/8" liner.


So 51 bbls would have covered around 1,000 feet?
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:52 pm to
about that. 3 bbls in the shoe track, and toc in the annulus ~200 beneath the 9 7/8" liner shoe.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 8:53 pm
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 9:11 pm to
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about that. 3 bbls in the shoe track, and toc in the annulus ~200 beneath the 9 7/8" liner shoe.


Yep, that matches up with my figures.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 9:19 pm to
So 51 bbls should have been enough to cover the production zone(s).
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 9:20 pm
Posted by oilfieldtiger
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/28/10 at 12:13 am to
i guess it should have. i have to think contamination would have been a problem w/ the small volume slurry / large displacement in an SBM environment though.
This post was edited on 5/28/10 at 12:13 am
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/28/10 at 8:26 am to
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i guess it should have. i have to think contamination would have been a problem w/ the small volume slurry / large displacement in an SBM environment though.


Very true. It would have been a tricky cement job over such a short interval. Especially if they did both a lead and a tail. With such a short interval I would think they did only tail.
Posted by TexasSinger
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Member since Feb 2006
4538 posts
Posted on 5/28/10 at 10:58 am to
Most companies employ some type of safety program like "STOP"(Safety Training Observation Program)...among other safety programs. This is typically implemented throughout the organization, from top to bottom. Part of this training is for employees to understand and accept responsibility to "STOP" any action at anytime that may seem unsafe. Now this doesn't mean to just walk up to the company man and say I am shutting down this rig. No, employees ARE trained to stop an operation and state the reason of concern and produce some discussion on the topic from a safety stand point. Also, employees(specifically managers/supervisors) are trained to accept STOP from subordinates. This isn't about questioning a manager or supervisor's direction or leadership, but PREVENTING accidents and creating a safer workplace.

I am curious if this scenario played out on the Deepwater Horizon.

In addition to all the discussion about who is calling the shots on the DH, the decisions by those in a leadership role on the offshore rig are driven by those in upper management, onshore back in the office. From everything I've read since this incident occurred, the urgency delivered by upper management to offshore personnel to get this rig moved to the next well is the "Fundamental Mistake" that led to this tragedy. This would seem to have influenced the decisions of those in a leadership role on the Deepwater Horizon and led to a bypass of safety protocol.

However, we are just all speculating without knowing all the facts of the incident, offshore and onshore. Remember though, the buck stops at the top.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 5/28/10 at 11:36 am to
You have to be a safety guy.
Posted by TexasSinger
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Posted on 5/28/10 at 3:56 pm to
No, just a 15 year engineering vet in the oilfield service company sector who understands the bottom-line impact and the criticality excellent safety leadership can have on a company. Also, having a father who retired as Director of HSE from COP doesn't hurt either.
This post was edited on 5/28/10 at 3:59 pm
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