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basic BP oil disaster question
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:10 pm
I honestly haven't been following that closely, but something seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe I just don't get it:
If you are going to engage in an activity one of the main "worst case scenarios" of which is that your oil well starts spewing oil from the bottom of the ocean a mile down, considering how bad that could be, don't you get shite worked out beforehand so that you can stop the leak if it happens? You know, like a plan?
And if you don't, should you even be enagaging in the activity in the first place?
I realize this is kind of a stupid question, but shite.
If you are going to engage in an activity one of the main "worst case scenarios" of which is that your oil well starts spewing oil from the bottom of the ocean a mile down, considering how bad that could be, don't you get shite worked out beforehand so that you can stop the leak if it happens? You know, like a plan?
And if you don't, should you even be enagaging in the activity in the first place?
I realize this is kind of a stupid question, but shite.
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:16 pm to baybeefeetz
I think they were over dependent on the BOP operating. Many things appear to have gone wrong to disable the BOP.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:18 pm to Oyster
Okay, how about the relief well thing. Clearly I have no specialized knowledge here, but:
What about building a relief well at the same time as or before (prob doesn't make sense) the actual well?
What about building a relief well at the same time as or before (prob doesn't make sense) the actual well?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:21 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:
Okay, how about the relief well thing. Clearly I have no specialized knowledge here, but:
What about building a relief well at the same time as or before (prob doesn't make sense) the actual well?
The exact same thing can happen with a relief well so essentially you are doubling your chances of having a blowout if you drill two wells instead of one.
This post was edited on 6/7/10 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:23 pm to redstick13
I apologize for wandering in here with a noob question. I said I don't know shite about this. That sounds about right (doubling your chances).
So that's basically it, then, right? It's an ultra risky thing in that there is no reasonably fast, sure way of stopping the worst thing that can happen?
So that's basically it, then, right? It's an ultra risky thing in that there is no reasonably fast, sure way of stopping the worst thing that can happen?
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:27 pm to baybeefeetz
Pretty much.
Drilling wells around 20,000 feet in the ground and in over a mile of water is a risky endeavor and a technically challenging one.
Drilling wells around 20,000 feet in the ground and in over a mile of water is a risky endeavor and a technically challenging one.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:53 pm to Oyster
quote:Kinda like an airplane is over dependent on the engine to fly...
I think they were over dependent on the BOP operating. Many things appear to have gone wrong to disable the BOP.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:56 pm to Oyster
quote:
I think they were over dependent on the BOP operating. Many things appear to have gone wrong to disable the BOP.
in fairness, other systems had to fail before the BOP was ever called in service. something had to allow an influx of oil & gas into the wellbore, the results of the negative test appear to have been misinterpreted, and it doesn't appear the kick was discovered until it was too late.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 6:56 am to baybeefeetz
quote:
Okay, how about the relief well thing. Clearly I have no specialized knowledge here, but:
What about building a relief well at the same time as or before (prob doesn't make sense) the actual well?
you always have the chance of taking the same kick in the relief well.. .
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:21 am to mylsuhat
i heard early on, probably the first week after the leak began, that the BOP was past its warranty date. has this been verified or was it BS?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:24 am to halleburton
It has been confirmed. The BOP was past the warranty date by quite a few years. Transocean elected not have an extended service contract to inspect and maintain the BOP by the manufacturer.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:43 am to TigerFred
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Transocean elected not have an extended service contract to inspect and maintain the BOP by the manufacturer.
Likely will not be their call in the future. May actually be a requirement to have ManRep/CVA certify the BOP at certain intervals or just prior to splashing it. They could also witness the operability test. JMHO.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:45 am to TigerFred
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The BOP was past the warranty date by quite a few years.
isolated incident or par for the course?
Posted on 6/8/10 at 8:58 am to eye65
I don't quite understand your question.
It is not unusual for companies to perform their own inspections and maintenance or to outsource it to a third party service company.
It is typically much cheaper for the end users to use someone other than the OEM for maintenance and inspections. It is much the same as you working on your own car or taking it to your own mechanic instead of returning it to the dealer for work.
I predict that the in the future the industry, whether mandated or not, will be using more OEM's for their maintenance and inspections.
It is not unusual for companies to perform their own inspections and maintenance or to outsource it to a third party service company.
It is typically much cheaper for the end users to use someone other than the OEM for maintenance and inspections. It is much the same as you working on your own car or taking it to your own mechanic instead of returning it to the dealer for work.
I predict that the in the future the industry, whether mandated or not, will be using more OEM's for their maintenance and inspections.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:05 am to TigerFred
Well, I want to know how even the original company who made the BOP would inspect this thing that far down. Can you close/open the rams or whatever using rovs??? Just curious how it would be "certified" ok.
Posted on 6/8/10 at 9:10 am to tiger91
I would think that it would be serviced/inspected while it is still onboard before it is actually in use.
I don't know details about the servicing/inspecting of a BOP or what is required. I am only commenting on the general overall process for equipment in general.
I don't know details about the servicing/inspecting of a BOP or what is required. I am only commenting on the general overall process for equipment in general.
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