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WSJ: plasma treatment reduced covid death rates by 50%

Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:38 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:38 pm
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Convalescent Plasma Reduced Death Rate Among Covid-19 Patients, Study Data Signals

Hospitalized Covid-19 patients who received transfusions of blood plasma rich with antibodies from recovered patients reduced their mortality rate by about 50%, according to researchers running a large national study


Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to
I'm sure plasma will be banned now
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to

It's pronounced Plaws-Ma

Like Yo-se-might
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to
The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:41 pm to
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now


Only if Trump supports it
Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:41 pm to
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now


Nah. Just the truth will continue to be banned and disallowed....
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:43 pm to
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It's pronounced Plaws-Ma

Like Yo-se-might
This is just getting sad, dude.

All trump, all the time.

An amazing new study shows great results from plasma treatment, and your first thought is trump?
Posted by borotiger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:44 pm to
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now


Plasma has been used for months with good results. This is not a new treatment, just results from another study.
Posted by borotiger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:46 pm to
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The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?


Yet another that, unfortunately, heard the term "peer reviewed" but doesn't understand what it means at all.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:47 pm to
"We need to stop the spread of these fringe conspiracy theories and unapproved and inaccurate studies"

-CNN
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:48 pm to



Love triggering you. Never fails.
Posted by Misnomer
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:58 pm to
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The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?


For those of you who don’t have a subscription... I highly recommend WSJ.

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By Amy Dockser Marcus

August 04, 2020 10:26 p.m. EDT

Hos­pi­tal­ized Covid-19 pa­tients who re­ceived trans­fu­sions of blood plasma rich with an­ti­bod­ies from re­cov­ered pa­tients re­duced their mor­tal­ity rate by about 50%, ac­cord­ing to re­searchers run­ning a large na­tional study.

The re­searchers pre­sented their data analy­sis Sat­ur­day in a we­bi­nar for physi­cians in­ter­ested in learn­ing about so-called con­va­les­cent plasma, with data slides that were re­viewed by The Wall Street Jour­nal. The re­searchers said they saw signs that the treat­ment might be work­ing in pa­tients who re­ceived high lev­els of an­ti­bod­ies in plasma early in the course of their ill­ness. They based their con­clu­sions on an analy­sis of about 3,000 pa­tients.

Pa­tients who at three days or less af­ter di­ag­no­sis re­ceived plasma con­tain­ing high lev­els of an­ti­bod­ies against the coro­n­avirus had a mor­tal­ity rate of 6.6% at seven days af­ter the trans­fu­sion. That com­pared with a mor­tal­ity rate of 13.3% for pa­tients who got plasma with low lev­els of an­ti­bod­ies at four days or more af­ter di­ag­no­sis. That in­di­cates re­duced mor­tal­ity of about 50%, the re­searchers said. At 30 days af­ter trans­fu­sion, the mor­tal­ity rate was re­duced by about 36%, in­ves­ti­ga­tors re­ported.

The shar­ing of the data comes as the Food and Drug Ad­min­is­tra­tion is near­ing a de­ci­sion to au­tho­rize emer­gency use of con­va­les­cent plasma for treat­ing peo­ple in­fected with the coro­n­avirus. The FDA can’t com­ment on whether it would take such ac­tion, a spokes-woman said.

The data were sub­mit­ted to the FDA, which is spon­sor­ing an ex­panded-ac­cess pro­gram led by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. The Mayo Clinic or­ga­nized the we­bi­nar.

The data haven’t been pub­lished in a jour­nal or sub­ject to peer re­view. At the we­bi­nar pre­sen­ta­tion, in­ves­ti­ga­tors said the con­clu­sions are their own and don’t rep­re­sent an of­fi­cial gov­ern­ment en­dorse­ment of ef­fi­cacy of con­va­les­cent plasma.


Posted by Misnomer
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:02 pm to
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The FDA can’t com­ment on the con­clu­sions of the in­ves­ti­ga­tors, a spokes­woman said, adding that, as with other med­ical prod­ucts, the FDA is as­sess­ing “all of the avail­able ev­i­dence that could po­ten­tially sup­port the use of con­va­les-cent plasma for the man­age­ment of Covid-19.”

There is a long his­tory of us­ing con­va­les­cent plasma to treat peo­ple dur­ing large vi­ral out­breaks, in­clud­ing the 1918 in­fluenza pan­demic and the 2014 Ebola out­break in West Africa.

Many doc­tors and hos­pi­tals are treat­ing hos­pi­tal­ized Covid-19 pa­tients with con­va­les-cent plasma un­der com­pas­sion­ate-use pro­to­cols or as part of stud­ies.

The Mayo-led ex­panded-ac­cess pro­gram was set up to al­low broad and quick ac­cess to con­va­les­cent plasma, and to en­sure the safety of us­ing an­ti­bod­ies from some­one who re­cov­ered from the coro­n­avirus to im­prove the im­mune re­sponse of a newly in­fected in­di­vid­ual.

In­ves­ti­ga­tors said they ini­tially thought a few thou­sand peo­ple might re­ceive con­va­les­cent plasma through the ex­panded-ac­cess pro­gram. More than 53,000 Covid-19 pa­tients have re­ceived it to date.

As the num­ber of pa­tients in the study mul­ti­plied, in­ves­ti­ga­tors be­gan to won­der whether they could de­tect signs it was work­ing, ac­cord­ing to Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, the prin­ci­pal in­ves­ti­ga­tor of the ex­panded-ac­cess study.

As part of the analy­sis, the in­ves­ti­ga­tors con­tacted in­di­vid­ual blood-col­lec­tion cen­ters around the coun­try, which re­tain small amounts of plasma col­lected from re­cov­ered pa­tients. The in­ves­ti­ga­tors an­a­lyzed the sam­ples and cor­re­lated each one to the out­come of in­di­vid­ual pa­tients in the study who re­ceived them.

Ex­panded-ac­cess stud­ies don’t meet the sci­en­tific gold stan­dard of a ran­dom­ized con­trolled trial for prov­ing whether a drug or treat­ment works. In­ves­ti­ga­tors in the Mayo pro­gram can’t say with cer­tainty whether plasma caused the im­proved out­comes be­cause every pa­tient in the study re­ceives it.


Posted by Misnomer
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:05 pm to
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Four for­mer heads of the FDA wrote an opin­ion piece in the Wash­ing­ton Post ear­lier this week stat­ing that al­though con­va­les­cent plasma is a promis­ing treat­ment and many pa­tients have been treated with it, is­sues re­main about when and how to use it and “we are not much closer to de­fin­i­tively an­swer­ing those ques­tions.”

“Con­va­les­cent plasma is not avail­able in un­lim­ited sup­ply. Pa­tients who get it are se­lected for some rea­son. Lots of those rea­sons can also af­fect pa­tient out­comes,” said Mark Mc­Clel­lan, for­mer head of the FDA and one of the au­thors of the opin­ion piece.

“There are many ex­am­ples of ob­ser­va­tional stud­ies no mat­ter how well done that got an­swers that were wrong when ran­dom­ized tri­als were done,” said Dr. Mc­Clel­lan, di­rec­tor of the Mar­go­lis Cen­ter for Health Pol­icy at Duke Uni­ver­sity.

Ran­dom­ized con­trolled clin­i­cal tri­als of con­va­les­cent plasma ther­apy are un­der way, in­clud­ing sev­eral stud­ies ex­am­in­ing its po­ten­tial ef­fec­tive­ness in out­pa­tient clin­ics. At present, only hos­pi­tal­ized pa­tients have ac­cess to con­va­les­cent plasma.

Don­ald Berry, a pro­fes­sor in the de­part­ment of bio­sta­tis­tics at the Uni­ver­sity of Texas MD An­der­son Can­cer Cen­ter, who isn’t in­volved in the con­va­les­cent plasma study and re­viewed the slides at the Jour­nal’s re­quest, said the data are promis­ing.


Posted by crewdepoo
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:07 pm to
Now that we have this cure i’m sure it will disappear by September
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:13 pm to
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Yet another that, unfortunately, heard the term "peer reviewed" but doesn't understand what it means at all.



Stop acting like you are smart

quote:

The data haven’t been pub­lished in a jour­nal or sub­ject to peer re­view. At the we­bi­nar pre­sen­ta­tion, in­ves­ti­ga­tors said the con­clu­sions are their own and don’t rep­re­sent an of­fi­cial gov­ern­ment en­dorse­ment of ef­fi­cacy of con­va­les­cent plasma.


Raw data is meaningless without statistical analysis
Posted by slackster
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:15 pm to
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An amazing new study shows great results from plasma treatment, and your first thought is trump?



Not sure if serious - Sao was already beaten to a punch by SDVTiger proactively being a victim.

Face it, for a large chunk of dumbasses on this board, it's all Trump all the time. They're either criticizing him or white knighting for him from the jump. It's fricking nauseating.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:26 pm
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
10534 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:18 pm to
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Stop acting like you are smart


Oh my God. You asked if the WSJ was peer reviewed for printing an article about a study that they said had not been peer reviewed.

A little hint: News articles are never peer reviewed. Ever.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:19 pm to
No shite sherlock

I was simply saying not to get too excited about this like its a cure

As the OP headline reads like fact
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:20 pm
Posted by Misnomer
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:21 pm to
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Raw data is meaningless without statistical analysis


I agree.

The article is just saying is that they are studying this treatment, right?
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