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WSJ: plasma treatment reduced covid death rates by 50%
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:38 pm
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Convalescent Plasma Reduced Death Rate Among Covid-19 Patients, Study Data Signals
Hospitalized Covid-19 patients who received transfusions of blood plasma rich with antibodies from recovered patients reduced their mortality rate by about 50%, according to researchers running a large national study
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm sure plasma will be banned now
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's pronounced Plaws-Ma
Like Yo-se-might
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:41 pm to SDVTiger
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now
Only if Trump supports it
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:41 pm to SDVTiger
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now
Nah. Just the truth will continue to be banned and disallowed....
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:43 pm to Sao
quote:This is just getting sad, dude.
It's pronounced Plaws-Ma
Like Yo-se-might
All trump, all the time.
An amazing new study shows great results from plasma treatment, and your first thought is trump?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:44 pm to SDVTiger
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I'm sure plasma will be banned now
Plasma has been used for months with good results. This is not a new treatment, just results from another study.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:46 pm to Cosmo
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The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?
Yet another that, unfortunately, heard the term "peer reviewed" but doesn't understand what it means at all.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
"We need to stop the spread of these fringe conspiracy theories and unapproved and inaccurate studies"
-CNN
-CNN
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Love triggering you. Never fails.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:58 pm to Cosmo
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The WSJ is a peer reviewed journal now?
For those of you who don’t have a subscription... I highly recommend WSJ.
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By Amy Dockser Marcus
August 04, 2020 10:26 p.m. EDT
Hospitalized Covid-19 patients who received transfusions of blood plasma rich with antibodies from recovered patients reduced their mortality rate by about 50%, according to researchers running a large national study.
The researchers presented their data analysis Saturday in a webinar for physicians interested in learning about so-called convalescent plasma, with data slides that were reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The researchers said they saw signs that the treatment might be working in patients who received high levels of antibodies in plasma early in the course of their illness. They based their conclusions on an analysis of about 3,000 patients.
Patients who at three days or less after diagnosis received plasma containing high levels of antibodies against the coronavirus had a mortality rate of 6.6% at seven days after the transfusion. That compared with a mortality rate of 13.3% for patients who got plasma with low levels of antibodies at four days or more after diagnosis. That indicates reduced mortality of about 50%, the researchers said. At 30 days after transfusion, the mortality rate was reduced by about 36%, investigators reported.
The sharing of the data comes as the Food and Drug Administration is nearing a decision to authorize emergency use of convalescent plasma for treating people infected with the coronavirus. The FDA can’t comment on whether it would take such action, a spokes-woman said.
The data were submitted to the FDA, which is sponsoring an expanded-access program led by the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. The Mayo Clinic organized the webinar.
The data haven’t been published in a journal or subject to peer review. At the webinar presentation, investigators said the conclusions are their own and don’t represent an official government endorsement of efficacy of convalescent plasma.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:02 pm to Misnomer
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The FDA can’t comment on the conclusions of the investigators, a spokeswoman said, adding that, as with other medical products, the FDA is assessing “all of the available evidence that could potentially support the use of convales-cent plasma for the management of Covid-19.”
There is a long history of using convalescent plasma to treat people during large viral outbreaks, including the 1918 influenza pandemic and the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Many doctors and hospitals are treating hospitalized Covid-19 patients with convales-cent plasma under compassionate-use protocols or as part of studies.
The Mayo-led expanded-access program was set up to allow broad and quick access to convalescent plasma, and to ensure the safety of using antibodies from someone who recovered from the coronavirus to improve the immune response of a newly infected individual.
Investigators said they initially thought a few thousand people might receive convalescent plasma through the expanded-access program. More than 53,000 Covid-19 patients have received it to date.
As the number of patients in the study multiplied, investigators began to wonder whether they could detect signs it was working, according to Michael Joyner of the Mayo Clinic, the principal investigator of the expanded-access study.
As part of the analysis, the investigators contacted individual blood-collection centers around the country, which retain small amounts of plasma collected from recovered patients. The investigators analyzed the samples and correlated each one to the outcome of individual patients in the study who received them.
Expanded-access studies don’t meet the scientific gold standard of a randomized controlled trial for proving whether a drug or treatment works. Investigators in the Mayo program can’t say with certainty whether plasma caused the improved outcomes because every patient in the study receives it.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:05 pm to Misnomer
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Four former heads of the FDA wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post earlier this week stating that although convalescent plasma is a promising treatment and many patients have been treated with it, issues remain about when and how to use it and “we are not much closer to definitively answering those questions.”
“Convalescent plasma is not available in unlimited supply. Patients who get it are selected for some reason. Lots of those reasons can also affect patient outcomes,” said Mark McClellan, former head of the FDA and one of the authors of the opinion piece.
“There are many examples of observational studies no matter how well done that got answers that were wrong when randomized trials were done,” said Dr. McClellan, director of the Margolis Center for Health Policy at Duke University.
Randomized controlled clinical trials of convalescent plasma therapy are under way, including several studies examining its potential effectiveness in outpatient clinics. At present, only hospitalized patients have access to convalescent plasma.
Donald Berry, a professor in the department of biostatistics at the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, who isn’t involved in the convalescent plasma study and reviewed the slides at the Journal’s request, said the data are promising.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Now that we have this cure i’m sure it will disappear by September
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:13 pm to borotiger
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Yet another that, unfortunately, heard the term "peer reviewed" but doesn't understand what it means at all.
Stop acting like you are smart
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The data haven’t been published in a journal or subject to peer review. At the webinar presentation, investigators said the conclusions are their own and don’t represent an official government endorsement of efficacy of convalescent plasma.
Raw data is meaningless without statistical analysis
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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An amazing new study shows great results from plasma treatment, and your first thought is trump?
Not sure if serious - Sao was already beaten to a punch by SDVTiger proactively being a victim.
Face it, for a large chunk of dumbasses on this board, it's all Trump all the time. They're either criticizing him or white knighting for him from the jump. It's fricking nauseating.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:18 pm to Cosmo
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Stop acting like you are smart
Oh my God. You asked if the WSJ was peer reviewed for printing an article about a study that they said had not been peer reviewed.
A little hint: News articles are never peer reviewed. Ever.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:19 pm to borotiger
No shite sherlock
I was simply saying not to get too excited about this like its a cure
As the OP headline reads like fact
I was simply saying not to get too excited about this like its a cure
As the OP headline reads like fact
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:21 pm to Cosmo
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Raw data is meaningless without statistical analysis
I agree.
The article is just saying is that they are studying this treatment, right?
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