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Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:01 pm to
Why would the US bomb oil facilities when I've been told that oil is the entire backroom predication for the war? Iran is the one trying to close Hormuz, the US is trying to keep it open for oil commerce.

It doesn't make any logical sense, which means it is probably not true.
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Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:02 pm to
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The cat is out of the bag, dude. You can’t lie your way out of this


Don’t be an idiot again. Read the entire speech. This was put to rest in this thread or a similar one on this conflict before you even came back.
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2026/03/03/rubio-lays-us-rationale-down-on-operation-epic-fury-media-hears-israel-n3812469

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Link to the Text of Rubio’s full remarks

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This was Rubio's actual argument for imminence, as the full clip shows. He pointed out that Iran's capacity for missile production exceeds our production level for anti-ballistic missile defenses, and the gap widened every month. Iran may have been about a year away from having so many ballistic missiles and drones that they could have pursued weapons-grade enrichment with impunity and openly developed nuclear weapons. The regime had already resorted to large-scale massacres of its own subjected people to maintain power; their "apocalyptic" theology would have encouraged them to use nuclear weapons against Israel and the US. Their refusal to discuss any limits on any of these ambitions became clear last week, and as Rubio argued, we needed to act while we still could.



https://www.axios.com/2026/03/03/rubio-trump-iran-israel-attacks

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"We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action" against Iran, Rubio told reporters on Capitol Hill on Monday. "We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces" by the Iranian regime.

"And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties ... And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't act," Rubio continued.

Rubio added later: "Obviously, we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us, and we had to be prepared to act as a result of it. But this had to happen no matter what."

The widely repeated translation: The U.S. couldn't stop its ally — a far smaller nation that America arms, funds and protects — from attacking Iran on Saturday. So the U.S. had to strike Iran, too.

Not quite, U.S. officials said later. Regardless of Israel, they said, Trump ordered the strikes because he felt Iran was negotiating a nuclear deal in bad faith, and the U.S. needed to destroy the country's offensive military infrastructure.

"This operation needed to happen," Rubio told reporters, because Iran was developing too many missiles too quickly and was rebuilding its nuclear capabilities.

Reality check:The picture critics are painting — of a U.S. reluctantly pulled into war by a smaller ally — obscures the deep coordination between the two countries in the weeks before the strike.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had been urging Trump to strike Iran since December — but Israeli officials say he wouldn't have moved without Trump's explicit approval.

It's highly unlikely Netanyahu would've struck Iran without Trump's green light, Israeli officials added. If Trump had preferred to keep negotiating, the strike would have been postponed.

Over the past year, Trump has repeatedly reined in Netanyahu from aggressive military operations, including his bombing campaign last year in Syria.

And Trump essentially forced the Israeli prime minister to accept a Gaza peace plan that resulted in Hamas releasing all of its remaining hostages and the remains of others.

Netanyahu pushed back Monday night, telling Fox News' Sean Hannity that Trump "can't be dragged" into anything — and that the president acts on his own judgment.

…Philip Klein, editor of National Review Online, wrote that those who think Rubio "said that Netanyahu forced the U.S. into war ... are conflating the question 'Why?' with the question of 'Why now?' ... Rubio was not trying to argue that Israel dragged the U.S. into this war."

"This operation needed to happen," Rubio told reporters, because Iran was developing too many missiles too quickly and was rebuilding its nuclear capabilities.

“…But this had to happen no matter what."


Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:04 pm to
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Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:05 pm to
Pretty sure you can fly from Tel Aviv to London then hop to New York without passing any of those countries.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:07 pm to
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Why would the US bomb oil facilities when I've been told that oil is the entire backroom predication for the war?


Who knows what's true or not but I did read a few days ago that it's the Israeli's who are bombing the oil infrastructure, and the US government isn't thrilled about it.
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Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:10 pm to
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Because Israel wants Iran to be consumed in civil war and be Balkanized. Israel is here to destroy the country and not just the regime, the later of which is the US’ mission. The US and Israel do not have the same goals here.


Why would Israel want that?
Posted by RIPMachoMan
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:10 pm to
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Who knows what's true or not but I did read a few days ago that it's the Israeli's who are bombing the oil infrastructure, and the US government isn't thrilled about it.


Correct. They also said it was Iranian missile that hit that school too… it’s probably wise to not believe every immediate report/tweet.

That said I appreciate those adding updates/videos here
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:12 pm to
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They also said it was Iranian missile that hit that school too


I'd be happier if we'd stop acting stupid and just acknowledge it.
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:12 pm to
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No, this isn't true as stated.

The graphic from "TechTimes" (a social media account) exaggerates a 2024 ICC arrest warrant for Netanyahu. All 5 Nordic countries are ICC members and have a standing legal obligation to arrest him *if he lands on their territory*. They reaffirmed support for the ICC in 2024-2025 statements, with Norway restating it in Feb 2026.

No collective "announcement" this week, no airspace bans, and no blocked trans-Atlantic routes to NY. Overflights don't trigger arrests. It's viral hype, not new policy.


US policy would penalize them if they actually did this, and that was also the policy under Biden’s Autopen and before.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 9:14 pm
Posted by RIPMachoMan
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:14 pm to
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I'd be happier if we'd stop acting stupid and just acknowledge it.


The tomahawk?

Who is we?
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:15 pm to
Nope.

Listen to the whole talk and quit letting your confirmation bias close your mind.

You are conflating the question 'Why?' with the question of 'Why now?'.
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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:16 pm to

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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:18 pm to
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Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:20 pm to
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Here’s former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett saying they need to invade Turkey next


Did you actually watch the video?

I did, and these words were not spoken.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted by RIPMachoMan
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:21 pm to
Jeez guys get a room already
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 3/10/26 at 9:22 pm to
Your hate makes you dumb.
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