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re: WSJ: Faculty-on-Faculty War Erupts at Columbia

Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:31 am to
Posted by TigerHornII
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:31 am to
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Rambler


Quality explanation of how fed funded research works.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:34 am to
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The whole Ivy League is a shitshow.

Harvard's plagiarizing president, all the schools' slobbering over every DEI hire, every school having billions in endowments...

Why any student pays any tuition at all is baffling.


If you are part of a "historically oppressed" group, you literally don't pay tuition. White or Asian male, middle class or above, no mental illnesses, you pay full sticker - or go somewhere else. Wealthy foreign students also generally pay full sticker price.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:53 am to
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Wealthy foreign students also generally pay full sticker price.


The gulf arabs commonly send kids at full price paying out of essentially their sovereign wealth funds/oil revenues. The kids or their families typically weren't actually paying.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
62711 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:55 am to
It's sad to see all the free speech absolutists on the right turn into hypocrites over speech they don't like. I did a roundup on the poliboard.
LINK
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:41 am to
Appreciate it. But I think this is one of those features where the AI really isn’t fully developed yet, particularly when it comes to summarizing data on figures and graphs. Here’s the top link that your AI question generated…

American Academy of Arts and Sciences

Notice the second picture, exhibit IV-35b. In the last year of data, 2019…
-Health Sciences spent a total of 27.3 billion on research
-Engineering 15.9 billion
-Biological and Biomedic Sciences 15.4 billion
-Math, Stats and Physical Sciences: 6.3 billion
-Non-science and engineering: 4.3 billion
-Behavioral and social science: 4.1 billion
-Humanities: 0.5 billion


Now transition to Exhibit IV-35c next, which reveals the portion of spending financed by federal research grants…
-65.8% of math, stats and physical sciences funding came from grants, for a total of 4.15 billion dollars in federal grants
-60.2% of biological and biomed, meaning 9.27 billion dollars
-Engineering was 59.7%, meaning 9.5 billion dollars
-52% of health science, for 14.2 billion dollars
-Behavioral Sciences was 41.7%, for 1.71 billion dollars
-27.5% of other nonscience and engineering, meaning 1.18 billion dollars
-9.2% of humanities, for a meager .05 billion dollars.


So in total, 40.06 billion dollars in federal grants. Of those, 37.12 billion went to the top four STEM fields. Which is 92.7% of the total federal grant funding going to STEM.




Now that may not be a perfect number, it’s just one source. But the point is, AI put the upper estimate at 67%. But their own first link actually has it at nearly 93%. So you still can’t really trust those headline AI summaries, especially when it comes to data analysis. It’s getting a lot better, but you have to be extremely specific with your prompts to get it to pull the correct information from graphs and tables.




So I think the evidence remains in place, STEM absolutely dominates federal funding for grants. And even if Biden did ramp up spending on non-STEM grants in the last four since since this dataset ended, it surely wouldn’t push the ratio to anywhere near 50/50
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:43 am
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:43 am to
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Medical and engineering professors vs political science and humanities professors


Sooooo..

Facts & Logic vs Emotions
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:44 am to
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So no foreign governments were ever involved in keeping American companies from doing business until now?


Yep.

Columbia has always been a hotbed of radicalism, this is an internal thing, not something the government should be arbitrating.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:24 am to
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Appreciate it. But I think this is one of those features where the AI really isn’t fully developed yet, particularly when it comes to summarizing data on figures and graphs. Here’s the top link that your AI question generated…



I'd rather have you be right on this than me!

Having said that, I drilled down a little when I made the post because I didn't believe it either. I don't have time to reconstruct that right now, but I did find indications that non-STEM funding has grown dramatically since the late 2000's. This may be a LINK to one of the studies you're quoting. Note the growth in college and university spending, which suggests those endowments are being used for non-STEM research. That's their prerogative of course, but I don't have to like it in the ere of spiraling tuition and "student" athletes making millions.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54702 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:28 am to
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People in Southern Indiana were far more racist than any baw I've met in Louisiana.


White female progressive from Minnesota at my prior company started virtue signaling in a meeting several years ago. Of course, since it was leftist dogma, that was ok to throw around during a work call. When I mentioned I was from the south and was a registered Independent, she asked me something like "if I was scared of minorities". I replied, "Excuse me, but the town I group up in, I AM a minority now. I live in one of the most diverse areas of not just the country, but the entire world. If I were scared of minorities, I would move to where you grew up and currently live".

Needless to say that shut her up. At least she was one of the few progressive sociopaths that new when she needed to pipe down and her point was shattered to pieces.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:29 am to
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The gulf arabs commonly send kids at full price paying out of essentially their sovereign wealth funds/oil revenues. The kids or their families typically weren't actually paying.


Yep. There was a Saudi "prince" in my dorm back in grad school. It was a private "dorm" - restaurant and pool on the 11th floor, maid service, etc.... I got a deal on the place because I started my research assistantship mid-term and they weren't full due to rich kid flunk outs.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
34659 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:57 am to
Well, at least their admission standards are equal across the board...
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