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re: Women who post incessantly online about the importance of abortion access

Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:58 am to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:58 am to
Because you're objectively wrong when you consider the language of the law.

Below is an exert from the amended Tennessee law. It lists the definition of abortion, as well as saying any medical procedure, even if it's to save the life of the other, is, in fact, an abortion. Prior to my wife's procedure, the medical exemption listed in the second quote did not exist in the law. It was a 100% ban.

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SECTION 2. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 15, Part 2, is amended by adding the following as a new section:
(a) As used in this section:
(1) "Abortion" means the use of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device with intent to terminate the pregnancy of a woman known to be pregnant with intent other than to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, or to remove a dead fetus;


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It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under subsection (b), which must be proven by a preponderance of the evidence, that:

(1) The abortion was performed or attempted by a licensed physician;

(2) The physician determined, in the physician's good faith medical judgment, based upon the facts known to the physician at the time, that the abortion was necessary to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or to prevent serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No abortion shall be deemed authorized under this subdivision (c)(2) if performed on the basis of a claim or a diagnosis that the woman will engage in conduct that would result in her death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function or for any reason relating to her mental health; and

(3) The physician performs or attempts to perform the abortion in the manner which, in the physician's good faith medical judgment, based upon the facts known to the physician at the time, provides the best opportunity for the unborn child to survive, unless in the physician's good faith medical judgment, termination of the pregnancy in that manner would pose a greater risk of the death of the pregnant woman or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function. No such greater risk shall be deemed to exist if it is based on a claim or diagnosis that the woman will engage in conduct that would result in her death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function or for any reason relating to her mental health.


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By the letter of the law at the time of the event, my wife had an illegal abortion. The fetus, while non-viable, was in fact "alive" when it was removed. TN had no language referring to viability or mother's health. That's why it was such a BFD to get my wife in to surgery that night.

I understand you believing the removal of an ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. I may agree with you if the law didn't define it as an abortion if the cluster of cells is still "alive." Most of us think of an abortion as elective termination of a viable life. Unfortunately, the TN legislature did not and does not agree with that. They define it as quoted above.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:04 am to
Except the law does not define an ectopic pregnancy as an abortion anywhere in what you just posted! It WAS the medical professionals who included ectopic pregnancies under the abortion umbrella. You have yet to prove this wrong because you can’t. The drama you experienced is the fault of the incompetency of the “medical professionals”.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:10 am to
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By the letter of the law at the time of the event, my wife had an illegal abortion.
So fricking brave
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:14 am to
I bet most aren’t even having sex
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29905 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:16 am to
quote:

The drama you experienced is the fault of the incompetency of the “medical professionals”.


Okay, bud.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:25 am to
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:29 am to
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Glad I could clear that up for you.


Guy and his wife lose a child that they wanted and had to go through a nightmare to keep from losing his wife because of the abortion ban at the time of her pregnancy and your big play in this thread is to shame and mock him for pointing out that it was considered an abortion under Tennessee law before exemptions were added.

What a piece of shite.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:31 am to
You clearly can’t read.

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What a piece of shite
and you’re a dirty whore
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Except the law does not define an ectopic pregnancy as an abortion anywhere in what you just posted! It WAS the medical professionals who included ectopic pregnancies under the abortion umbrella. You have yet to prove this wrong because you can’t. The drama you experienced is the fault of the incompetency of the “medical professionals”.


And therein lies the rub that has been explaned to you multiple times.

When legislators create laws with vague languages, this is the kind of thing that happens.

And before you go on some rant that it definitely isn't considered to be included, in 2019 Ohio legislators presented an abortion ban bill that would've required doctors to attempt to "replant" an ectopic pregnancy. That's medically impossible.

quote:

(C) Take[] all possible steps to preserve the life of the unborn child, while preserving the life of the woman. Such steps include, if applicable, attempting to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into the woman’s uterus.


Oftentimes, these legislators copy and paste the same language from other state's bills in creation. So yes, it's understandable that a medical professional may not know what does and doesn't fall under that abortion ban or that the legal guidance isn't clear.

CATO Institute Article on Ohio Abortion Ban Bill
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:35 am to
quote:

your big play in this thread is to shame and mock him for pointing out that it was considered an abortion under Tennessee law before exemptions were added.

I’m “shaming” him for being so proud to continue to call it an abortion. It wasn’t legally defined that way and NEVER was. The example he cited doesn’t prove his point in any way.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:36 am to
quote:

and you’re a dirty whore


Because I called you out on shaming someone over explaining to you that his wife's medical procedure was considered abortion under Tennessee law until exemptions were included?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:37 am to
quote:

I’m “shaming” him for being so proud to continue to call it an abortion.


He's not proud you fricking nimrod. He's explaining to you in pretty simple terms why it was considered an abortion under the initial law in his state and what he and his family had to go through.

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It wasn’t legally defined that way and NEVER was. The example he cited doesn’t prove his point in any way.


It does.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:40 am to
quote:

When legislators create laws with vague languages, this is the kind of thing that happens.
If the medical professionals who manipulatively classified ectopic pregnancies as abortions, this kind of thing would have never happened in the first place.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:42 am to
quote:

If the medical professionals who manipulatively classified ectopic pregnancies as abortions, this kind of thing would have never happened in the first place.


I missed where they were the ones that wrote the law in vague enough terms that they needed to go back in and fix their frick up.

But do go on.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29905 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:45 am to
He ain't worth it, Belle. Thanks, though.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20885 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:46 am to
At some point in the future humans will look back at modern day abortion the same way we look at slavery and human sacrifice. Just because it was legal by the law of the land does not mean it is right in any possible way. Sacrificing a child out of convenience, or to obsolve yourself of personal responsibility is immoral and barbaric. And just because it’s done in an OR under anesthesia doesn’t make less so.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
1372 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:49 am to
quote:

He's explaining to you in pretty simple terms why it was considered an abortion under the initial law in his state

Sweetheart, I have explained to you in pretty simple terms that I understand it was technically considered an abortion, but that has everything to do with the way it is defined medically. Just because the medical professionals defined it incorrectly as an “abortion” doesn’t mean it ever was an abortion.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Az via La
Member since Feb 2006
13255 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:50 am to
Yes
I saw this all the time
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:51 am to
quote:

At some point in the future humans will look back at modern day abortion the same way we look at slavery and human sacrifice. Just because it was legal by the law of the land does not mean it is right in any possible way. Sacrificing a child out of convenience, or to obsolve yourself of personal responsibility is immoral and barbaric. And just because it’s done in an OR under anesthesia doesn’t make less so.


We're discussing someone whose wife had to have a procedure to remove a non-viable pregnancy (ectopic pregnancy) but had to fight for the surgery due to the law as it was written at the time in his state and because technically by Tennessee law the baby was "alive". A baby cannot survive an ectopic pregnancy. And many times a mother can't as well unless the pregnancy is removed.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108043 posts
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:51 am to
quote:

Sweetheart, I have explained to you in pretty simple terms that I understand it was technically considered an abortion


Then shut the frick up and stop shaming the guy.
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