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re: Will you make it to heaven?

Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:14 am to
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
7808 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:14 am to
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we will all stand before him


i wish he would stop allowing 2 year olds to contract leukemia. that would certainly help his approval ratings for starters.
Posted by GAAtty70
Member since Nov 2015
905 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:21 am to
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However, we will all stand before him for accountability of how we used our gifts, talents, and abilities. That accountability for Christians has nothing to do with punishment, only what rewards we may or may not receive. Those rewards will have value different than what anyone can imagine in this life


So if I am reading this right, if Hitler was saved as a teen he would be in heaven despite his evil later deeds, but in heaven terms his mansion would be a 3rd floor walkup cold water flat as opposed to what the Pope would get?
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:36 am to
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Things that are, by definition, matters of faith will likely have no irrefutable proof,


I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow.

There is just as much evidence as a vampire being immortal as there is a God granting immortality.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38336 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:43 am to
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People that want to believe get mad about that, far angrier than those who are as certain about their non-belief


I am a person of faith. My experience is that some that get angry do so because they have a heartfelt belief that they feel is being attacked, though it usually isn't. Not all people of faith apply reason to the extrapolation of their belief system.

My experience also includes a good bit of condescension from the other side of the argument, as though they have somehow proven that the object of faith does not exist and any who believe are somehow inferior. I think those are flip sides of the same reactionary coin (you do get both from each side).

I've always contended that if you want to go with a purely logical belief, agnosticism is probably it, though I am not agnostic. I am an odd bird, however, as I am a person of faith who is a skeptic by nature.
Posted by GaDawg9977
Member since Aug 2016
2399 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:54 am to
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If you can’t sin in heaven, does that mean you don’t have free will anymore? If that’s the case, are you even you?


There will still be free will. Sins are the result of our desire for three things money, sex, and power. Sin is our deviant ways of getting these things. Heaven perfect and we will be totally fulfilled there so there will be no need to sin.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38336 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:57 am to
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I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow


This is something that is provable via science. Now that it is proven we just assume it will also "rise" tomorrow, observations of things occurring in the universe should clue us in to any natural events that may change that if we don't miss them. The definition I am applying involves thing outside of nature, supernatural, if you will.

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There is just as much evidence as a vampire being immortal as there is a God granting immortality.





That is correct, if you are waiting for proof of God you will never find it on this side of the grave, IMO. If you choose to believe otherwise until proven different, it is certainly within your rights to do so.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:57 am to
Free will doesn’t exist. The concept is fundamentally flawed.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
137803 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:59 am to
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Sins are the result of our desire for three things money, sex, and power.


Greed
Anger
Sloth
Gluttony
Envy
Lust
Pride

Many sins do not fall into your categories
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49106 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 10:59 am to
Not currently
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56320 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:02 am to
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The only thing for sure is that your consciousness ends


That is not certain. It may be the consciousness is material in origin, or it may be that certain material conditions allow consciousness to be expressed. Hard to say either way. I've seen enough weird shite through entheogens that I lean towards the brain being a conduit for conscious experience rather than the originator, but I may very well be wrong.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49106 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:08 am to
What if upon death, your consciousness becomes all knowing and understanding because you are no longer restricted by a limited human knowledge capacity.

Maybe its beyond comprehension
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:08 am to
Seems more likely that consciousness is an emergent property of information processing systems that reach some threshold of complexity.

I hear you on the psychedelics, though.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56320 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:12 am to
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What if upon death, your consciousness becomes all knowing and understanding because you are no longer restricted by a limited human knowledge capacity.



Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15243 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:14 am to
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Free will doesn’t exist. The concept is fundamentally flawed.


You chose to post this? or do you have another explanation as to why you posted?
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:17 am to
I chose to post that due to factors ultimately beyond my control. Whether those factors were determined by a causal chain or due to some mix of randomness and determinism, the “free will” idea doesn’t work.
Posted by GaDawg9977
Member since Aug 2016
2399 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:18 am to
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Free will doesn’t exist. The concept is fundamentally flawed.


How did you come to this conclusion?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56320 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:21 am to
The truth lies somewhere between determinism and pure choice. We can make conscious decisions, but are limited by factors beyond our control.

Determinism implies that all actions and eventualities are programmed from the very beginning of reality. If true, then there can be no conclusion other than reality being a simulation.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:23 am to
You didn’t choose the two most important factors which shape your brain:
- your genes
- your environment you were reared in

And that’s not even getting into the fact that your neurophysiology is a complete mystery to you from moment to moment.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282521 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:23 am to
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Free will doesn’t exist. The concept is fundamentally flawed.


Disagree. Some people's concept of free will is flawed.
You have free will, however you're programmed with certain inclinations that you can override.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
21950 posts
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:25 am to
Not my call, I have no idea how in control of their faculties a person is when they commit suicide or any other sin.

What I am focused on is God's grace and trying my best to not sin. Some days it is harder than others.

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