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re: Will New Orleans ever have a White and middle class plurality again?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:09 pm to PelicanState87
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:09 pm to PelicanState87
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From 68% in 2000 to 53% in 2020.
Underrated rock band.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:27 pm to Fat and Happy
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Not unless you get better residential living in the city limits
The only way to do that would be for an investor to buy a large swathe of houses and make them all nice again. If just one of the 13% stays, whitey ain't coming back. They also refer to it as gentrification, which is just a made up word to make sure whitey has to build a new house in a new neighborhood.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:35 pm to PelicanState87
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Also Atlanta will have a White and middle class plurality by 2030. New Orleans needs to follow the Atlanta blueprint. A city that went from mostly poor and Black to mostly White and middle class in 20 years. If Atlanta can do it, so can New Orleans. Atlanta is expensive just like New Orleans ... that's one of the biggest driver for the change. But the ATLANTA BRAND is able to attract a lot more affluent people from outside Georgia as well, that's where New Orleans fail.
I dont know one affluent person ever that talked about going to Georgia much less Atlanta LOL
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:45 pm to Harry Boutte
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People always forget about the port.
A big frick you to the people in St Bernard trying to stop the LIT under the guise of “protecting our way of life”.
These Democrats are a reason Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston have passed us economically. In a different world the South would be revolving around New Orleans, on the level with New York and L.A. economically and those cities would be the backwaters
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:49 pm to PelicanState87
quote:detroit has several suburbs that make mandeville look like chalmette and metro detroit has about 10 fortuna 500 companies vs metro new orleans' 1 or 2
Interesting, I never heard that before. Why you say that
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:01 pm to Martini
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Much of Atlantas middle class black population came from New Orleans middle class blacks who left in droves during the 1970’s to move to Atlanta for black prosperity. Economic and job opportunities were plentiful and that was the beginning of the downfall of New Orleans.
A lot of them went to college in Atlanta and never came back. And honestly I don't blame them. New Orleans is culturally rich, with amazing food, and beautiful architecture but it's not very appealing to most college educated middle class folks
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:04 pm to jizzle6609
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I dont know one affluent person ever that talked about going to Georgia must less Atlanta LOL
You should go check who's buying these 750K+ houses in Atlanta on the eastside. You'll see it's mostly highly educated affluent white and asian folks from the North and West looking for better weather and a lower cost of living. And Atlanta is very beautiful and special just like New Orleans ... it's a city within a forest and has a 1,000 ft altitude
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:06 pm to dallastiger55
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all-time high in the Atlanta area
How much of those are in the city proper?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:08 pm to LemmyLives
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As for ATL, subtract Cobb and North Fulton, and the percentage of whitey drops like a rock
What do those have to do with the Atlanta city limits?
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:09 pm to jizzle6609
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dont know one affluent person ever that talked about going to Georgia must less Atlanta LOL
Compared to where? If you're comparing it to anywhere in Louisiana, the incomes are a lot higher there. I'm considering moving there myself because I'll basically get a 35% raise.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:12 pm to Gee Grenouille
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The only way to do that would be for an investor to buy a large swathe of houses and make them all nice again. If just one of the 13% stays, whitey ain't coming back. They also refer to it as gentrification, which is just a made up word to make sure whitey has to build a new house in a new neighborhood.
Whitey can't afford to run like they use to. White flight has moved so far away from the city core that it's no longer an attractive option for most. And also most whiteys have become more comfortable with the idea of diversity especially when they see the demographic trends are leaning in their favor which they are in every gentrifying city and neighborhood. They know undesirables can't afford (for long anyway) to live in these places
What's going to happen is that most of the suburbs will be for the lower class and most of the city will be for the upper class. And this won't be for every city but it will be for most of the popular major cities
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:23 pm to Pax Regis
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Just an adult amusement park housing the support staff.
Seriously a pretty solid analogy. A lot like Gatlinburg or Panama City Beach only there is also a smallish city attached....one with a long history of dysfunction (it is said New Orleans is the best managed city in the Caribbean). Las Vegas and Nashville are similar and do not have the same issues....Las Vegas because they attract another level of tourist where New Orleans is competing against Biloxi and Orange Beach) and Nashville has some industry other than tourism.
I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl and once again the city did not fail to do a fantastic job hosting a sizeable event during one of the busier holidays of the year, despite the unfortunate BS on Bourbon Street. I love the culture of New Orleans. Love the fact that you can hear high quality live music at 10 AM on a Tuesday morning and can walk 500 feet and listen to a completely different genre of music on a level that is rare to fins anywhere else. I love the food. I am a native Atlantan so I ain't put off by black folks....so there is nothing about New Orleans, other than the Saints and Pelicans, that I dislike. That said it is basically another Panama City Beach, minus the beach, for adults, far too many of whom think the thing to do is get shitfaced drunk for 3 days. Its just not a serious city.
That wasn't always the case...at one time cotton in the Delta, trapping and shipping shite from the south and middle America made New Orleans wealthier than New York, Paris and London....that time has passed.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:29 pm to profdillweed
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2023: 17.8 million domestic tourists.
2022: 17.36 million domestic tourists.
2021: Around 16.81 million domestic tourists.
2020: Approximately 12.67 million visitors (a 38% drop due to the pandemic).
2019: 20.36 million visitors.
2018: 18.5 million visitors.
A little over half the same numbers for Atlanta in those years....Savannah has very similar numbers to those of New Orleans....
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:53 pm to PelicanState87
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You should go check who's buying these 750K+ houses in Atlanta on the eastside. You'll see it's mostly highly educated affluent white and asian folks from the North and West looking for better weather and a lower cost of living. And Atlanta is very beautiful and special just like New Orleans ... it's a city within a forest and has a 1,000 ft altitude
I dont care LOL.
I live in fricking Houston. 750K is not even an elite neighborhood here.
Again, Ive never heard anyone affluent moving to ATLANTA LOL.
Atlanta, think about that. No one with serious money is moving there, no one.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:54 pm to AwgustaDawg
All your domestic tourists are black. Dont discount this fact.
And I think most will end up living there in the next 25 years.
Buy more land and housing in Atlanta, good investment.
And I think most will end up living there in the next 25 years.
Buy more land and housing in Atlanta, good investment.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:56 pm to AwgustaDawg
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A little over half the same numbers for Atlanta in those years....Savannah has very similar numbers to those of New Orleans....
those numbers are Orleans Parish proper....not just the suburbs...people dont go to New Orleans to stay in Kenner or Slidell or Laplace
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:03 pm to jizzle6609
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You're spreading more misinformation but it's all good.
Clearly you never heard of or forgot about the annual Shaky Knees Festival, the Atlanta Marathon, Dragon Con, Dogwood Festival, Sweetwater 420, Atlanta Jazz Festival, the SEC Football Championship, Peach Bowl, Chick-Fil-A Kickoff, Georgia Tech athletics, etc
Atlanta once again is popular with more than just Black people. Actually Houston is becoming the more popular destination for Blacks b/c of it's vibrant Black nightlife and lower living costs. Atlanta Black nightclubs been closing down at a high rate due to gentrification. Also Houston has a lot of strip clubs (more than Atlanta) which the hip hop crowd loves. I guarantee you Atlanta get more White visitors and interest than Houston
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All your domestic tourists are black. Dont discount this fact.
And I think most will end up living there in the next 25 years.
Buy more land and housing in Atlanta, good investment.
You're spreading more misinformation but it's all good.
Clearly you never heard of or forgot about the annual Shaky Knees Festival, the Atlanta Marathon, Dragon Con, Dogwood Festival, Sweetwater 420, Atlanta Jazz Festival, the SEC Football Championship, Peach Bowl, Chick-Fil-A Kickoff, Georgia Tech athletics, etc
Atlanta once again is popular with more than just Black people. Actually Houston is becoming the more popular destination for Blacks b/c of it's vibrant Black nightlife and lower living costs. Atlanta Black nightclubs been closing down at a high rate due to gentrification. Also Houston has a lot of strip clubs (more than Atlanta) which the hip hop crowd loves. I guarantee you Atlanta get more White visitors and interest than Houston
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:34 pm to PelicanState87
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You're spreading more misinformation but it's all good.
Tourism misinformation, my bad.
TBH, I dont want people visiting the city I live in often. Happy for you that its a point of pride, thats good.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:43 pm to jizzle6609
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Tourism misinformation, my bad.
TBH, I dont want people visiting the city I live in often. Happy for you that its a point of pride, thats good.
I thought UH was a good school. You don't understand how visitors equal $$$ and $$$ means better developments and equity for property owners in the city LOL
I love Houston. I can't wait to visit the Minute Maid and Bayou Park projects once they done. I'll pick Houston over New Orleans any day
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:56 pm to jizzle6609
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I live in fricking Houston. 750K is not even an elite neighborhood here.
Again, Ive never heard anyone affluent moving to ATLANTA LOL.
Atlanta, think about that. No one with serious money is moving there, no one.
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Comparing the wealth of the Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA and Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX metropolitan areas involves analyzing key economic indicators for these broader regions, which include surrounding suburbs and counties.
Key Economic Indicators (Metro Areas)
Median Household Income (2023, U.S. Census Bureau estimates):
Atlanta Metro: ~$85,200.
Houston Metro: ~$74,300.
Analysis: Atlanta’s higher median household income suggests greater wealth among typical households.
Per Capita Income (2023, U.S. Census Bureau):
Atlanta Metro: ~$47,900.
Houston Metro: ~$41,100.
Cost of Living:
Atlanta Metro’s cost of living is ~10-15% higher than Houston Metro’s. Median home prices: ~$410,000 (Atlanta) vs. ~$340,000 (Houston). Average rent: ~$1,750 (Atlanta) vs. ~$1,400 (Houston).
Scale: Houston Metro’s population is ~7 million vs. Atlanta Metro’s ~5.9 million. Houston’s larger economy suggests more total wealth, but Atlanta’s higher incomes indicate wealth per person is greater.
Taxes: Houston benefits from Texas’s no state income tax, while Atlanta faces Georgia’s 1-6% income tax. Houston’s higher property taxes (~2.1% vs. ~1.1% effective rate) may offset some savings.
Conclusion
Atlanta Metro has higher median household income ($85,200 vs. $74,300) and per capita income ($47,900 vs. $41,100), suggesting greater individual wealth. Houston Metro has a larger economy (~$633 billion vs. $525 billion) and lower living costs, indicating more aggregate wealth. For per-person wealth, Atlanta Metro is wealthier; for total economic wealth, Houston Metro leads. Given the focus on metro area wealth, Atlanta Metro’s higher per capita income makes it wealthier.
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