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re: Will airlines ban lithium batteries one day?

Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:48 am to
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:48 am to
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How big would a lithium battery have to be to take down an airplane


Seems like a typical laptop battery have to go unnoticed for a while and catch something else on fire.

Very unlikely, but I suppose it's possible.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7799 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 8:56 am to
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If you don't want to believe me go ahead, they were doing it last october on the way back from zurich.
It's not a belief thing, I know for a fact it isn't done all of the time. Maybe you looked sketchy and they didn't trust you. Not only has it never happened to me, but I've never seen anyone have to power on their laptop, notebook, or anything of the sort.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11773 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:15 am to
You do realize that has NOTHING to do with lithium batteries right?

They use that as an additional screening measure if they believe your phone/tablet/computer is packed with explosives.

If lithium batteries were the issue why would they care if they powered on or not?
Posted by CuseTiger
Member since Jul 2013
9068 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:35 am to
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It's not a belief thing, I know for a fact it isn't done all of the time. Maybe you looked sketchy and they didn't trust you. Not only has it never happened to me, but I've never seen anyone have to power on their laptop, notebook, or anything of the sort.


I probably did look a little sketchy considering no one else there was wearing a hat and boots . I also wonder if certain airlines (was flying US Airways) ask for more security measures???


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NOTHING to do with lithium batteries right?
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if they believe your phone/tablet/computer is packed with explosives.

That is how the two are correlated. Lithium ion batteries are basically mini explosives when they fail, whether that's due to mechanical failure, thermal runaway, etc. The additional security (while not geared towards LIBs) is designed to prevent the types of situations that can happen with LIBs by making sure the device is working properly. If your laptop starts smoking after turning it on, yeah it probably shouldn't be allowed on. There's an article below that's actually decent

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Batteries can blow up or melt when internal electrical components short-circuit, when mechanical problems crop up after a fall or an accident, or when they are installed incorrectly, Shearing said. But at the heart, all of these failures occur because one portion of the battery gets too hot and can't cool down quickly enough, creating a chain reaction that generates more and more heat.

Even at high temperatures, not all of the batteries failed — some had internal safety features that prevented the dangerous reaction. Of those that did fail, the batteries with internal supports stayed intact until the internal temperature reached a scorching 1,830 F (1,000 C). At that point, the internal copper materials melted, leading to the runaway chain reaction.

But the batteries without these internal supports exploded, likely because their internal cores collapsed, which could have short-circuited the internal electrical components, the study showed.


Why lithium batteries explode

This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:41 am
Posted by Austin Cajun
Austin, Tejas
Member since Aug 2013
1884 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:58 am to
We use Lithium Polymer batteries for racing RC cars and I have seen numerous instances of them going up in flames.
The batteries are very unstable and I store all of mine in a metal ammo can for this reason. I had one go up in flames on me one day while charging it. It was enclosed inside the battery case on my car. When the battery popped, it blew a hole threw the case and shot flames about 3 feet out of the car. Luckily I was standing right there and slung the car out of my garage and into the yard. The battery was roughly 2 1/2 inches long, 1 inch wide, and 1/2 an inch thick. They pack a lot of power in a small package.

Same thing happened to a guy I race with a couple of years ago except he left it unattended. It burnt down their entire garage, everything in it including his vehicle.

Now, anytime a battery acts or looks funny, I dispose of it. They are very easy to blow up. Pop a hole in a cell and it will go, short out the leads and it will blow, over charge it and it will go.
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