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re: Why do fit people not wear Fitbits?

Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:49 pm to
It's even confusing to me now. The original point was just wearing one, or drinking 40 gallons of water, or drinking diet sodas, or eating Lean Cuisines will not make you fit or thinner. I see examples everyday and rarely do I see fit people doing these things.

Lots of fat people "weighing" in here.
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 7:14 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:56 pm to
fwiw, my roommate is fit as frick and he drinks diet coke and eats lean cuisines
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 6:58 pm to
A damn outlier.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 7:13 pm to
outside of his alcoholic drinks, i think i got him off the diet coke. he eats the shite out of lean cuisine, though
Posted by tween the hedges
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 8:21 pm to
Hmmm...what exactly does this do? My roommate just found one outside our building and if nobody claims it in a couple of days we are going to use it.
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 9:51 pm to
Counts (calculates) steps, measures sleep pattern and tells time. If you are in to that.
Posted by boom roasted
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 9:53 pm to
Tracks steps, how many miles you've walked/run, how many calories you've burned.
Posted by GoGeauxGaux
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:51 pm to
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Running on a treadmill you don't deal with surface structure, climate, etc.


Yes, I covered this in my post. Running outdoors, you have to deal with increased impact on your joints, but that doesn't make running outdoors a better workout. It might make running indoors more comfortable, but it doesn't contribute to the effectiveness of the workout. Wind obviously can make a difference if it's very strong, but like I said, if it's just a typical breeze, then it's basically negligible.

On a 74º day without strong winds, running on a normal street (one without big hills) is basically the same as running flat on a treadmill, or maybe a treadmill with a 1% incline. The wind resistance aspect is negligible. A 2% incline on the treadmill actually makes treadmill running require more effort.

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Not to mention you are pushing off on body weight vs a belt going for you.


No, that's completely 100% wrong. This is basic physics. The belt isn't helping you at all. This stuff has been measured, it's not a matter of opinion.

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There is a huge difference myself and many others can tell you


Well, you're wrong.
Posted by GoGeauxGaux
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:02 pm to
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I hate to break it to you, but that's not entirely a myth.
For comparison sake, lets assume both planes re perfectly level.
If you are running on flat ground, each step you take requires you to propel your entire body weight forward.
Running the same speed and also on a flat surface of a treadmill, you aren't propelling your body weight, you're keeping your center of mass stationary as the surface below you moves. You do this by matching offsetting the momentum of the belt.
Not saying a treadmill isn't effective, but it doesn't stress your body in the exact same manner.
However, the difference between the 2 is fairly minimal based on my understanding. They are close enough to allow a treadmill to be used for medical purposes like stress testing your heart.

I'm not a runner, but I do know I can run further on a treadmill than I can on the ground.


Well, you may not be a runner, but you're also not a physicist. If we're comparing the treadmill to ground running and assuming the ground is perfectly flat, then it takes the exact same amount of force to run at speed X on the treadmill as it does on the ground. The belt isn't helping you. You have to propel yourself forward with respect to the surface whether the surface is the treadmill belt or the ground. Assuming the ground is perfectly flat, the only difference is air resistance, which as I've already pointed out, is negligible unless you're running sub-six minute miles.

The difference that does exist, as I already discussed, is that even on a typical flat road, there will probably be some normal elevation changes, and unfortunately, the downhill sections won't completely cancel out the uphill sections is terms of effort. A running track will be flat, so this isn't a factor, so this only matters if we're talking about running on a normal street. This difference, while not negligible, is easily made up for with a 1% incline on the treadmill. If you set an incline of 2%, now the treadmill actually requires more effort than running on a typical street.

In any case, the guy I replied to claimed that running on a treadmill with an 8% incline was easier than running on a normal street, and that's laughable.
Posted by NawlinsTigah270
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:05 pm to
Bottom line is fit people don't need gimmicks like Fitbits. We buy into a certain lifestyle and the rest works itself out
Posted by Zantrix
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:50 pm to
I've honestly lost 100 lbs over the last 30 months - here's how:

Quit drinking sodas, even diet. Stick to water, Powerade Zero, unsweetened tea, and black coffee. Anything carbonated or with splenda/sweetnlow/sugar goes out the window.

Cut the carbs out of your diet - limit to 20 or 30 per day. Don't eat everything red meat all the time, chicken and seafood is your best friend. Raid the produce market and start enjoying it - I eat meatless salads with loads of veggies to add flavor like red peppers, cucumbers, broccoli, onions, etc. Take it easy on the dressings.

Get uncomfortable on a treadmill and stay that way - I'm running 3 miles 5 times per week now at a 6mph pace.

Lift heavy stuff - it's great for your body since you're eating tons of protein now. You'll notice a HUGE difference in your stamina, especially when you start shedding the fat.

Turn off the goddamn tv/video games and go outside. And while you're out there, NEVER EAT FAST FOOD AGAIN. Fix all of your meals that way you can tell exactly what's going into it. If you're like me and like a cold beer - stick to bottled beer and don't get it from a tap.
Posted by nc14
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:55 pm to
Hero. Keep it up!
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:00 pm to
That's great that worked for you and fantastic job but why exactly is a drink like Sprite Zero unacceptable?

I've asked my doctor about this but I'd like to hear what you have to say.

ETA: I know it has 35mg of sodium... but so does broccoli
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Zantrix
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:02 pm to
If you can't pronounce the ingredients, then why put it in your body? Also, carbonated stuff just makes me gassy and bloated. When I cut that out it also seemed to cut out a lot of the burping and general nausea that plagued me for the first 30 years of my life.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:04 pm to
That seems fricking retarded
Posted by GoGeauxGaux
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:09 pm to
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Quit drinking sodas, even diet. Stick to water, Powerade Zero, unsweetened tea, and black coffee. Anything carbonated or with splenda/sweetnlow/sugar goes out the window.



Powerade Zero is sweetened with sucralose (splenda).
Posted by Zantrix
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:10 pm to
Cutting out all of the sugar and artificial garbage has worked for me and I feel 1000x's better than I did a few years ago. It's just my take on things.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:12 pm to
Okay, your edit makes more sense.

I asked my doctor about the drawbacks of zero calorie diet sodas and he said the medical community has yet to find anything noticably detrimental to health.
Posted by Zantrix
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:12 pm to
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Powerade Zero is sweetened with sucralose (splenda).



I don't really drink it unless I've been working outside and sweating like crazy. But it's not carbonated which is the main reason.
Posted by GoGeauxGaux
Member since Apr 2014
186 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:30 pm to
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I don't really drink it unless I've been working outside and sweating like crazy. But it's not carbonated which is the main reason.



I mean, do whatever works for you, but since you're offering this advice to others, I'll just point out that there is no evidence that carbonation has any negative effects. Artificial sweeteners like sucralose probably don't have much of a negative effect in small doses, but there is some evidence that in larger doses it can be carcinogenic (at least in rats), and there is some evidence that consuming too much artificial sweetener can make it more difficult for you body to process natural sugars in your diet.

I'm just saying, if I had to choose between drinking a sucralose sweetened sports drink or some sparkling water/seltzer/club soda base purely on health effects, I'd take the club soda. If nothing else, the sports drink is gonna be worse for your teeth.
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