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re: When did you first become aware of your privilege?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:15 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:15 pm to bhtigerfan
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You’re retarded. No one can “choose” who they’re born to.
Yeah no shite, that’s my point.
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It’s your choice to bring children into the world in a good situation, or a shitty situation.
Right, it’s the parent’s choice, not the kids. Again, my entire point.
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What you should ask is: So why doesn’t everyone choose to graduate high school, get a job, not become a criminal, not have children they can’t afford, get married and stay married?
Uh they should. Those are choices the child actually can make, and failing to do so cannot be blamed on their birth or upbringing.
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Why can’t they do this so their children can be “privileged?”
They should.
Imagine acting so smug yet missing the entire point in such an embarrassing manner.
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:17 pm to TH03
I like turtles.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:18 pm to bhtigerfan
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That is just fricking stupid.
Terry Bradshaw won 4 Superbowls. You think any NFL head coach would pick Bradshaw over Manning for their QB?
There’s individual success, and team success.
You’re arguing who the better QB is, not who was more successful. There’s a difference, and you even said it with the individual vs team statement.
Individual success = who is better
Team success = who was more successful
Winning championships > breaking records. Any saints fan knows this sadly.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:20 pm to TH03
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You’re arguing who the better QB is, not who was more successful.
Who made more money (I don't know, but would guess Peyton)? That is a variable in the equation of who was more individually successful
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Privilege by definition is reserved for the few, not the average.
By what definition? Which one has a size limit on the group to which the advantage applies?
Oxford
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a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
MW
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: a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor
Dictionary.com
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a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed by a particular person or a restricted group of people beyond the advantages of most:
the unearned and mostly unacknowledged societal advantage that a restricted group of people has over another group:
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:24 pm to jchamil
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Who made more money (I don't know, but would guess Peyton)? That is a variable in the equation of who was more individually successful
That would answer the “who made more money” question. There are so many different variables that determine salaries that you can’t compare people like that especially across different eras.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:25 pm to TH03
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a special right
You're catching on..
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Keep reading. 3 separate words in conjunction with the word “or” means it only has to be one of those.
Here, I’ll help:
Here, I’ll help:
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a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:28 pm to TH03
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There are so many different variables that determine salaries that you can’t compare people like that especially across different eras.
Right, but we're discussing two guys who played the same position in the same sport in the same era.
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That would answer the “who made more money” question.
Still a big part of success
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:30 pm to TH03
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advantage
You're getting even closer.
Average people dont have an advantage.
You'll figure it out.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:32 pm to jchamil
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Right, but we're discussing two guys who played the same position in the same sport in the same era.
Came in a different years so signed their second contracts at different times plus Brady took pay cuts in order to make the team better. Peyton also hit the market while Brady didn’t until this year.
Manning made more yet Brady won more. Brees had more individual success, but does not measure up in the ultimate success of winning championships.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Average people dont have an advantage.
When compared to people who are at a disadvantage, yes they absolutely do.
You really shouldn’t be acting so smug when you’re posting like a retard.
Now I know why you stick to filling in the blanks with SJW, Marxist, or prog all the time.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:35 pm to TH03
The traditional notion of privilege is an extremely oversimplified view on the dynamics of human interaction and the formation of hierarchal structures. The dialog tends to take a single variable and attribute the existence of dominance hierarchies to this singular variable. Even the more nuanced takes on privilege fall victim to this problem of oversimplification.
I don’t find it a particularly useful sequence of dialogue because of this. You’d have to overlay every single intrinsic property that makes a person who they were and weigh out how important each attribute is to society at large and whether or not this person finds themselves in the majority with respect to this attribute and the specific group they find themselves in order to even approximate the real effects of an “unconscious bias”. I think there are so many variables at play with real interactions the discussions of single variables do a pretty rotten job at describing these biases or macroscopic trends in an adequate way.
I don’t find it a particularly useful sequence of dialogue because of this. You’d have to overlay every single intrinsic property that makes a person who they were and weigh out how important each attribute is to society at large and whether or not this person finds themselves in the majority with respect to this attribute and the specific group they find themselves in order to even approximate the real effects of an “unconscious bias”. I think there are so many variables at play with real interactions the discussions of single variables do a pretty rotten job at describing these biases or macroscopic trends in an adequate way.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:38 pm to Ross
That’s why I’ve stated multiple times that it isn’t the end all be all. It’s only one piece of the pie.
Privilege, education, hard work, good fortune, connections, etc. You need more than one of these to be successful. Not having one doesn’t preclude you from being successful and having all of them doesn’t guarantee success.
Privilege, education, hard work, good fortune, connections, etc. You need more than one of these to be successful. Not having one doesn’t preclude you from being successful and having all of them doesn’t guarantee success.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:39 pm to TH03
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When compared to people who are at a disadvantage
If 50 million out of 70 million have similar SeS in their backgrounds, they are not by definition, privileged.
They are very average.
The 20 million are "disadvantaged"
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The 20 million are "disadvantaged"
Are you seriously this dense? It’s the same fricking thing.
In comparison to the 20 million, the 50 million are at an advantage in term of socioeconomic status.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:47 pm to TH03
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comparison to the 20 million, the 50 million are at an advantage in term of socioeconomic status.
Compared to the overwhelming majority, they dont
Every single person can argue some advantage over another, it doesnt make them privileged. The old "you were born on third base" bullshite is what you're trying to argue
You've accepted a shitty neuvo feminist version.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Compared to the overwhelming majority, they dont
You’re right. When you compare people on equal ground, they don’t have advantages over each other. Groundbreaking take, roger.
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Every single person can argue some advantage over another, it doesnt make them privileged. The old "you were born on third base" bullshite is what you're trying to argue
Yet data shows kids in 2 parent households are more successful. Why is that not an advantage? Use something other than the nonsensical “it’s average people” argument.
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You've accepted a shitty neuvo feminist version.
There’s our trusty mad libs book. I was getting worried about you.
You people are getting too hung up on the “white privilege is evil” version of the word that you’ve committed to fighting every use of the word. It’s ridiculous.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:00 pm to TH03
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Yet data shows kids in 2 parent households are more successful.
You mean the standard western position and norm for most people who are adults? 70% of all kids?
It's the norm.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You mean the standard western position and norm for most people who are adults? 70% of all kids?
It's the norm.
You keep thinking there’s a size limit included in the definition of privilege or advantage.
Being normal is absolutely an advantage in comparison to being abnormal.
If being normal in a 2 parent household is proven to be better for children, how is that not advantageous?
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