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re: What would have been your plan if you were on a Normandy landing boat?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:12 pm to weagle99
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:12 pm to weagle99
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During D Day invasion. Front row do you immediately try to dive off to the side when the gate drops? A few rows back do you try to use dead bodies for cover? How would you try to get to the beach and cover?
Once informed where we were going, I would have arse raped my CO. "Oh I have to go to the stockades and will miss the invasion , durn"
Those sumbitches were some brave men.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:16 pm to Spaceman Spiff
It’s pretty amazing someone could post such strong opinions while knowing absolutely nothing about the history and plan
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:26 pm to MWP
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quote: How many Marines do you think made all four landings?
My only guess is Chesty.
That's a good guess, but Puller was sent home in Nov. '44 after Peleliu. (I had to look it up.)
He arrived on Guadalcanal in mid-Sept. He was awarded a Bronze Star for his actions at Lunga Point. His battalion suffered 70% casualties at Henderson Field (where John Badilone earned his MOH) in late Oct. and he was wounded on Nov 9th.
He was promoted to regimental XO and earned another Navy Cross (his 4th) at Cape Gloucester.
He made full colonel and was given a regimental command in Feb '44. 1st Marines lost 1749 men out of ~3,000 on Peleliu in Sept/Oct. Chesty got a Legion of Merit out of the deal.
As if all of that shite wasn't enough, his younger brother was killed on Guam. No Okinawa for Chesty.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:29 pm to Ed Osteen
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It’s pretty amazing someone could post such strong opinions while knowing absolutely nothing about the history and plan
Exactly. This cat is just another millennial troll. He probably would say the same thing about any operation. But I bet he has a plan for blowing his e-cig smoke to look like a tough guy.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:30 pm to Ed Osteen
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It’s pretty amazing someone could post such strong opinions while knowing absolutely nothing about the history and plan
Like the old saying...
It's better to remain silent and let people think you're stupid, rather than open your mouth and prove it.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 2:54 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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No doubt. Island hopping was hell. I'm trying to find something because I'm honestly curious whether the difficulties of the logistics of the Pacific Theater meant that the island hoppers faced more amphibious assaults than their European or Mediterranean counterparts. There just doesn't seem to be much that I'm able to find about how individual Marines and soldiers recycled after being part of an assault.
Anecdotally my grandfather was a marine sergeant in WWII and from what we know he served with the 3rd Marine Division. He never spoke much about it before he died but all we know was it was awful. He was never wounded and was one of a handful in his company that never got KIA/WIA. They were at Guam, Bougainville, and Iwo Jima and supposedly like 6 or 7 of the original company was all that made the whole three campaigns unscathed. The island hopping in the pacific was unbelievable brutal and the difference between his experience and my other relatives in Europe was night and day.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:18 pm to weagle99
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What would have been your plan if you were on a Normandy landing boat?
Just go forward and try not to think about it or anything else. Look for cover immediately and when is time to advance do it again. While all of this is happening I would be scared to death.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:33 pm to weagle99
Idk. Call of duty made me stay on the boat but I was the only one who lived. So not sure that was the best choice. Probably jump over into water with rifle and as many rounds as possible
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:35 pm to auzach91
Does anyone know how these soldiers transported their ammo during the landings? Ammo wasn't waterproof back then so it seems like they would have to protect it somehow.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:36 pm to TigerstuckinMS
If my memory serves me right after the first few assaults the Japanese gave up on defending against beach landings and went to luring troops further inland for ambushes.
So the stress for the Marines was more the few snipers and mortar artillery fired off as pot shots as time went on.
So the stress for the Marines was more the few snipers and mortar artillery fired off as pot shots as time went on.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:50 pm to upgrayedd
Oilcloth or something similar depending on access to it.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 3:52 pm to White Roach
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No Okinawa for Chesty.
Funniest line in the HBO mini-series Pacific was when his character landed at I think Guadalcanal and he is marching through a bunch of Marines taking a break and he says "see ya'll in Tokyo".
That was a damn good mini-series and I think it showcased a bunch of Marines that made it all the way through to Okinawa.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:05 pm to upgrayedd
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Does anyone know how these soldiers transported their ammo during the landings? Ammo wasn't waterproof back then so it seems like they would have to protect it somehow.
At Normandy I'm pretty sure M-1s were coated in cosmoline and wrapped heavy paper or plastic.
Not sure about ammo.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:06 pm to weagle99
To survive
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:50 pm to MWP
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That was a damn good mini-series and I think it showcased a bunch of Marines that made it all the way through to Okinawa.
Not quite as good as Band of Brothers, IMO, but still a great mini-series. Of the main characters:
Bob Leckie wrote a great book, Helmet For My Pillow, about his service in the Pacific. He was with the 1st Marine Division on Guadalcanal, New Britain and wounded on Peleliu. He was fricked up psychologically from the war.
John Basilone, who was truly a bad motherfricker, was awarded the Medal of Honor in defense of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal with 1st Marine Division. The USMC sent him home to sell war bonds. He did that for a while, but lobbied to be sent back into combat. He landed with the 5th Marine Division on Iwo Jima and earned a Navy Cross before he was KIA.
Eugene Sledge was a 1st Marine Division replacement and fought on Peleliu and Okinawa. He wrote another great book, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He was fricked up by the war too. Sledge's and Leckie's books formed the basis for The Pacific.
Sid Phillips grew up in Mobile with Eugene Sledge, but enlisted in the USMC before Sledge did. He fought on Guadalcanal and New Britain with the 1st Marine Division. Sledge found Phillips on Pavuvu where he had been sent as a replacement. Same Division, but different regiments. Phillips had enough points to rotate back to the US. As a new replacement, Sledge went to Peleliu (and then Okinawa). Phillips went to med school when he was discharged and said he was never tormented nightmares about the war. He was one of the veterans interviewed at the end of The Pacific.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 4:51 pm to White Roach
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At Normandy I'm pretty sure M-1s were coated in cosmoline and wrapped heavy paper or plastic.
Not sure about ammo
No way they used cosmoline. Any little bit of sand would've made them inoperable.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:11 pm to weagle99
i was at omaha beach a couple of years ago. given the terrain i dont know how anyone survived. the gun placements were focused down the bluff onto the beach. i imagine a number of german soldiers were conscripted from poland and perhaps were not disciplined. the experience gave me goosebumps and no one was shooting at me. the U S soldiers were the bravest of the brave. the greatest generation.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:14 pm to upgrayedd
"To keep their weapons dry, the Soldiers made sure to cover their weapons with a waterproof cover and loaded their equipment in a waterproof bag. While we take plastic for granted today, this was a new invention to many of the Soldiers."
I found the above quote at thenmusa.org website. No mention of cosmoline, although I thought I read in one of Ambrose's books that it was used. I guess not. It would be a bitch to clean on a beach.
I found the above quote at thenmusa.org website. No mention of cosmoline, although I thought I read in one of Ambrose's books that it was used. I guess not. It would be a bitch to clean on a beach.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:18 pm to White Roach
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"To keep their weapons dry, the Soldiers made sure to cover their weapons with a waterproof cover and loaded their equipment in a waterproof bag. While we take plastic for granted today, this was a new invention to many of the Soldiers."
Yeah, I've seen bags and condoms over the muzzle, but I'm curious how much water the ammo can handle before it's ruined.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 5:51 pm to White Roach
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At first, bomber crews had to fly 25 missions. Losses were so heavy the Army couldn't train replacements fast enough, so they upped to mission requirement to 30, then 35, and so on. However, air crews quickly figured out it was statistically improbable to fly 35 missions without being killed or captured
Actually, early on, losses were so high it was almost impossible to finish 25 missions, More and better fighter escorts, and the defeat of the Luftwaffe allowed the number of missions required for a complete tour to be raised to 30, then 35.
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