- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: What religions believe Jesus and God are the same being?
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:32 pm to White Roach
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:32 pm to White Roach
Actually I am corrected. One priest, one religion teacher.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:34 pm to TN Bhoy
Sounds like 3 separate things to me
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:38 pm to tigerskin
quote:
Sounds like 3 separate things to me
Then you're probably illiterate
quote:
We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;
And ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father;
And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the Prophets;
And here's another 'summary' (the so-called 'Athanasian Creed'):
quote:
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
ETA:
Note: 'catholic' in the above creeds means 'universal'
This post was edited on 5/31/15 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:40 pm to tigerskin
Christianity. It assumes a "trinity" of "three in one" (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
I think you may have "religions" confused with "denominations" of a religion.
Religions are Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.
Denominations of a religion such as Christianity include Catholic, United Methodist, Southern Baptist, Episcopal, etc.
I think you may have "religions" confused with "denominations" of a religion.
Religions are Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.
Denominations of a religion such as Christianity include Catholic, United Methodist, Southern Baptist, Episcopal, etc.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:51 pm to tigerskin
Good luck on trying to get an explanation of the Trinity. So far, nobody's been able to explain it.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:52 pm to tigerskin
Jesus is the Son of God. He was God in human form.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:56 pm to pwejr88
I don't go to church.
I do believe in a higher being
I live by the golden rule
It's worked for me so far
I do believe in a higher being
I live by the golden rule
It's worked for me so far
Posted on 5/31/15 at 1:59 pm to roguetiger15
quote:
I don't go to church.
I do believe in a higher being
I live by the golden rule
It's worked for me so far
Kind of irrelevant but I'm happy for you
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:03 pm to tigerskin
Didn't read any comments.
United Pentecostals believe they are the same.
Although your question is vague. Trinitiarians would say they are the same in essence yet different in being.
United Pentecostals believe they are the same.
Although your question is vague. Trinitiarians would say they are the same in essence yet different in being.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:09 pm to LSUTigers00884
quote:
United Pentecostals believe they are the same.
Well...United Pentecostals get into the whole Son-flesh, Father/Holy Ghost - Spirit thing. Different natures.
They're really twoness.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:14 pm to tigerskin
I've tried to comprehend the trinity on and off over the last several years. It's difficult to grasp fully. I don't know that we will ever fully grasp it in this earthly life.
Other posters have explained it as well as it can be explained.
Other posters have explained it as well as it can be explained.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:42 pm to BigEdLSU
I am 60 and well-educated. The Trinity still remains something that is difficult to grasp at times. That is where the so-called mystery of faith comes into play. The God-head may well be something beyond human comprehension - again, the faith thing.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:48 pm to TN Bhoy
There is no way you understand that.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:49 pm to beejon
quote:
Good luck on trying to get an explanation of the Trinity. So far, nobody's been able to explain it.
St. Patrick did a good job.
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:50 pm to BigEdLSU
quote:
I've tried to comprehend the trinity on and off over the last several years. It's difficult to grasp fully. I don't know that we will ever fully grasp it in this earthly life.
Other posters have explained it as well as it can be explained.
Over the years, the best explanation I have heard regarding the Trinity is like this...
Water can take three forms.... Liquid, gas and Solid. This is somewhat of an explanation of what the Trinity is... Different forms of the same thing.
I believe does a good job as far as it this sort of thing goes...
This post was edited on 5/31/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:53 pm to klrstix
quote:
Over the years, the best explanation I have heard regarding the Trinity is like this...
Water can take three forms.... Liquid, gas and Solid. This is somewhat of an explanation of what the Trinity is... Different forms of the same thing.
I believe does a good job as far as it this sort of thing goes...
Gas loved solid, with gas having one will and solid another?
Posted on 5/31/15 at 2:56 pm to beejon
quote:
Gas loved solid, with gas having one will and solid another?
We can only work with what we know... lol
Posted on 5/31/15 at 3:02 pm to tigerskin
quote:
explain this to a teenager
quote:
He says his Catholic priests
tell him to watch his bunghole
Posted on 5/31/15 at 3:05 pm to beejon
Posted on 5/31/15 at 3:13 pm to biglosdaddy
[quote
]In response to the clover and the solid /liquid/gas:
LINK
[/quote]
i get that... Any analogy regardless of its application has limitations... when anyone begins to push the boundaries of those limitations (regardless of its application) you will invariably get in trouble..
]In response to the clover and the solid /liquid/gas:
LINK
[/quote]
i get that... Any analogy regardless of its application has limitations... when anyone begins to push the boundaries of those limitations (regardless of its application) you will invariably get in trouble..
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News