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re: What is the sales pitch for meth and heroine?
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:38 pm to SohCahToa
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:38 pm to SohCahToa
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The choice that i made was to live a different life,
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I chose to become a better person.
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I chose to find a different solution to my personal issues.
Amen brother.
Now try to convince the other addicts in this thread that whether they believe it or not, they have choices.
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Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:38 pm to SohCahToa
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Im still new to this recovery thing, but science and logic have do e absolutely nothing for me. The choice that i made was to live a different life, and sobriety has been a byproduct of that because of what i truly believe is spiritual and nothing of this world. I didnt choose to quit using. I chose to become a better person. I chose to find a different solution to my personal issues. The need to get loaded is slowly going away. Did i dorectly choose to stop getting loaded? Not a chance. Im not capable of making that decision on my own these days and my entire life experience will back that up. The amount of times i said im not getting loaded again seconds before putting a needle in my arm proves to me, logical, rational, or not that i couldnt stop on my own. Whether im right or wrong in the eyes of the world is no concern to me. This is what i have to believe to stay above ground so this is what i believe. But i totally understand why its hard concept for people to understand why we feel this way.
Keep doing what you're doing, don't ever stop. Get involved and carry the message, never stop growing spritualy. Good luck and God bless.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:40 pm to Agforlife
Doing a 5th step with a sponsee for the 1st time tomorrow morning. Mind is racing haha
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:40 pm to Festus
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Now try to convince the other addicts in this thread that whether they believe it or not, they have choices.
Regardless of the existence of free will, everyone has a choice. It's what underlies the choice they make that is not under their ultimate control. This is just a fundamental misunderstanding.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:40 pm to SohCahToa
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Im still new to this recovery thing, but science and logic have do e absolutely nothing for me.
I know what you are saying. I couldn't think or reason my way out of wanting to get fricked up.
I'm just did a little research because I wanted to know WHY I couldn't stop thinking about getting fricked up. Why would I forgo eating so I could spend every last dollar on dope. Why I stopped paying my bills so i could get high for a couple of hours.
Knowing why doesn't help get you sober though.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:41 pm to Caplewood
I think we all agree that alcohol has the potential to ruin just as many lives as meth or heroin but you said Adderall is pretty much the same as meth and that is just false. You also said heroin and meth aren't much different than tobacco and that is ridiculous. Sure tobacco, specifically smoking, is just as likely to kill you but it won't ruin your day to day life like meth, heroin or extreme alcholol abuse. The last thing you said that was wrong is that heroin isn't guaranteed to ruin your life and again that is just wrong. Sure there are a very small amount of people who can use it on occasion but they are typically very wealthy and happy with a ton going on in their lives but for anyone using daily it will eventually catch up to them and ruin their life.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:42 pm to rbWarEagle
Sorry, didn't see.
Glad we agree that everyone has choices. You may not believe they have the ability to choose to get help, but on that we disagree.
I will not concede that addicts are victims with no ability to choose to seek help. There are examples in this thread of addicts that thought they had no choices at all, but actually realized they did, and made the choice to get help.
Glad we agree that everyone has choices. You may not believe they have the ability to choose to get help, but on that we disagree.
I will not concede that addicts are victims with no ability to choose to seek help. There are examples in this thread of addicts that thought they had no choices at all, but actually realized they did, and made the choice to get help.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:42 pm to Festus
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Now try to convince the other addicts in this thread that whether they believe it or not, they have choices.
We have choices. They realize we have choices. Whether or not, on our own, to not get loaded at that time is not one of them.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:43 pm to Festus
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I will not concede that addicts are victims with no ability to choose to seek help. There are examples in this thread of addicts that thought they had no choices at all, but actually realized they did, and made the choice to get help.
Everyone has choices. That's not up for debate. It's the unending causal chain prior to the choice that is ultimately made where notions of free will dissipate.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:44 pm to SabiDojo
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Although we don't agree, I'm just glad you're sober.
Thank you, look I'm not saying anybody is wrong or right, I'm just defending the program that worked and saved my life when other things didn't, I'm in no way saying other things won't work. As for the not always an addict, how about you let me move into your house and just go buy a gram of speed and do it and see just how long your shite stays in your house and isn't in the pawn shop
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Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:44 pm to Agforlife
That was hilarious!
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:45 pm to Agforlife
I still love going into pawn shops because there absolutely no telling what the story is behind how they acquired their shite i work across the street from Magazi e Pawn Shop and im in there just looking a few times a week. Yes, i acknowledge im a psycho
i work across the street from Magazi e Pawn Shop and im in there just looking a few times a week. Yes, i acknowledge im a psychoPosted on 7/18/15 at 2:46 pm to rbWarEagle
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Everyone has choices. That's not up for debate.
Well, it was up for debate when I entered the thread. Now that we agree on that, I'll exit.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:46 pm to lsu480
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every 6 weeks or so I want to take some painers and I haven't been able to find any in over a year!
I still have a whole bottle of hydrocodone from some stitches I got a while back. Can't stand taking them when I was in legitimate pain so I see no value in taking them recreationally.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:46 pm to SohCahToa
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Doing a 5th step with a sponsee for the 1st time tomorrow morning. Mind is racing haha
I'm going to an out of town meeting to speak tonight. You'll be fine just do what the book tells you to do and what your sponsor did for you.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:46 pm to Festus
Alright then, have a good one.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:47 pm to rebeloke
Simple. They didn't like the way felt when they made the decision to try it and it initially made them feel great. it was a good, or even the best, option and the consequences down the road were of no consequences at that moment in time.
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:49 pm to Agforlife
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let me move into your house and just go buy a gram of speed and do it and see just how long your shite stays in your house and isn't in the pawn shop
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:50 pm to LesMiles BFF
Probably the realest post in this thread
Posted on 7/18/15 at 2:51 pm to Festus
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Well, it was up for debate when I entered the thread. Now that we agree on that, I'll exit.
I don't know If you read my post about choices but It boiled down to having a .5% chance of choosing right on a consistent basis is technically a choice.
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