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re: What is the logic behind closing schools?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 2:59 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 3/13/20 at 2:59 pm to Korkstand
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How can we be sure that closing schools is the best way to achieve this, given that children are largely unaffected by the virus? Who has done the math regarding whether the loss in healthcare workforce due to childcare needs is more than offset by the reduced number of cases that required care?
I do think it is a legitimate concern.
Without looking at any research, I would say that instinctually reducing spread via school and gathering closures will have much more positive effect than the loss of nurses.
Are there plans to redesignate nursing duties as we close elective medical processes in hospitals?
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 2:59 pm to Korkstand
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I agree that this should be our primary concern, but my question remains. How can we be sure that closing schools is the best way to achieve this, given that children are largely unaffected by the virus? Who has done the math regarding whether the loss in healthcare workforce due to childcare needs is more than offset by the reduced number of cases that required care?
The best way? Who knows. It's just "a way." A cog in the wheel that will be needed to slow this thing down. Parents and grandparents are bringing those kids to and from school a lot of the time. To expect that many people to follow directions to stop spreading this virus is asking way too much of the general population.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:11 pm to MightyYat
quote:My point.
The best way? Who knows.
quote:I don't expect better from our leaders, but is it crazy of me to want better than just "a way" to do things? Is it too much to ask that some thought is put into such huge decisions?
It's just "a way."
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:23 pm to Korkstand
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I don't expect better from our leaders, but is it crazy of me to want better than just "a way" to do things? Is it too much to ask that some thought is put into such huge decisions?
It's absolutely mind boggling that you don't think these people put any thought into these decisions. Like, moonbat crazy.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:43 pm to MightyYat
quote:Let me rephrase.
It's absolutely mind boggling that you don't think these people put any thought into these decisions. Like, moonbat crazy.
I know that some thought is put into it. It just doesn't seem to be particularly rational or logical thought.
An entire month from the get-go is excessive and arbitrary. It is extremely costly and the benefit cannot be calculated.
And I'm moonbat crazy?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
know that some thought is put into it. It just doesn't seem to be particularly rational or logical thought.
The problem is with you.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:56 pm to Korkstand
Ok, schools are closed. What do mom and dad do about their kids at home?
No one is thinking this through.
No one is thinking this through.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:57 pm to yankeeundercover
quote:
What do m
Watch them.
quote:
No one is thinking this through.
Nah. You aren’t.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 3:58 pm to Korkstand
quote:When this thing turns out to be nothing in a week or so JBE can take credit for saving the state and all the chirrens.
What is the logic behind closing schools?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:28 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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The problem is with you.
The problem is we are placing a huge burden on society for a benefit that is impossible to even estimate at this point.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:34 pm to Korkstand
The logic is that if the rate of virus transmission resembles its rate in Europe and China, the exponential growth rate will rapidly exceed hospital capacity in the USA. Since kids rapidly infect each other and their relatives at home, closing the schools limits the opportunities for transmitting the virus, slowing the growth rate (commonly referred to as the doubling time of the incidence) in the population. The exponential distribution of cases would occur over a longer period but of lower peak, easing the burden on the hospital and health care system. The lessening of the peak number of infections may be sufficient to
create hospital space for the more seriously sick at the delayed time of the peak.
Tl;dr: exponential distributions can be managed by affecting diffusion rates.
It can save your grandparents’ lives.
Enjoy your time with your kids.
create hospital space for the more seriously sick at the delayed time of the peak.
Tl;dr: exponential distributions can be managed by affecting diffusion rates.
It can save your grandparents’ lives.
Enjoy your time with your kids.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:38 pm to CajunPhil
quote:I understand "flattening the curve" and all that. That was summed up in the first sentence of the OP.
The logic is that if the rate of virus transmission resembles its rate in Europe and China, the exponential growth rate will rapidly exceed hospital capacity in the USA. Since kids rapidly infect each other and their relatives at home, closing the schools limits the opportunities for transmitting the virus, slowing the growth rate (commonly referred to as the doubling time of the incidence) in the population. The exponential distribution of cases would occur over a longer period but of lower peak, easing the burden on the hospital and health care system. The lessening of the peak number of infections may be sufficient to
create hospital space for the more seriously sick at the delayed time of the peak.
The question is about the rest of... you know what, nevermind.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:40 pm to RT1941
quote:we haven’t yet. Not everyone has someone to watch their children. I understand what you’re saying and we’ve talked about it. We had probably over 50 calls today alone. We would take a hit being down for a month but we have a nest egg saved up to pay the notes . When the government said shut the schools down immediately well ok but their still is a lot of people working that needs daycares not to mention we would have 22 employees without a paycheck for a month.... it’s a tough call either way
Shouldn't daycare's close in tandem with the school closings?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:40 pm to RT1941
quote:
Shouldn't daycare's close in tandem with the school closings?
Of course
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:56 pm to Korkstand
quote:
we are placing a huge burden
No we aren’t. benefit that is impossible to even estimate at this point.
We can easily estimate the problems of an overwhelmed health care system.
It’s you.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:57 pm to Korkstand
So kids that may have picked up the virus can now stay home
With granny when their parents have to go to work. Seems like a brilliant idea
With granny when their parents have to go to work. Seems like a brilliant idea
Posted on 3/13/20 at 4:58 pm to Korkstand
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I understand "flattening the curve" and all that. That was summed up in the first sentence of the OP.
If the growth curve is sufficiently flattened to reduce its peak below hospital capacity there will be room for the seriously ill at-risk cases.
It is not the best solution. Medical system capacity has not kept pace with demand for 20 years. Demand exceeds the supply of healthcare. Obamacare only made the situation worse by increasing demand on the system, raising prices, instead of reducing restrictions on medical school enrollment, paying Med school loans, funding nursing schools, and increasing the number of hospital rooms. It was a ten year step in the worst possible direction creating debt that must be financed and channeling money that should have gone into healthcare into clerical operations which produced no additional health resources.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 5:00 pm to CajunPhil
Flattening of the curve is bullshite now that you’ve panicked the public into lining up in grocery stores to buy unnecessary supplies.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 5:12 pm to FightnBobLafollette
quote:Sure, we can estimate the problems of an overwhelmed healthcare system. What we cannot estimate is the extent of those problems if we cancel school vs. if we don't. That is what I'm trying to get at here.
We can easily estimate the problems of an overwhelmed health care system.
quote:Nah.
It’s you.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 5:30 pm to MightyYat
quote:
It's absolutely mind boggling that you don't think these people put any thought into these decisions. Like, moonbat crazy.
It’s moonbat crazy to think none of the reactions are knee-jerk
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