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Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:00 am to rocket31
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The classic ad hominem argument style.
Pls don't reproduce
Yeah? Sorry but I'll ridicule ridiculous theories about the "neutering of the american male" all day.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:02 am to Bayou Sam
Wouldn't waste my time with the uneducated
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:02 am to Bayou Sam
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but I'll ridicule ridiculous theories about the "neutering of the american male" all day.
wait, why?
because you don't think this is a thing or because you don't think it's a bad thing?
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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because you don't think this is a thing or because you don't think it's a bad thing?
The bait has been set
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think this is actually a thing, no.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:05 am to Bayou Sam
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Sorry you and your friends are a bunch of pussies dude.
What? I don't belong to TheRedPill. I am in a happy long-term relationship with a beautiful and intelligent woman far out of my league and have been for quite some time. I don't need support groups or gimmicks. I don't need negs, pickup lines, or overthought strategies. I just know who I am, know what I want, and take what I want from what life gives me. TheRedPill stems from classic victim psychology created by being coddled as youth and failing as adults because of it. It can't be anyone else's fault, it must be WOMEN! They're being held back! Women are the problem! Society is the problem!!! It can't be me! My mommy said that I'm the most handsomest, smartest, most talented boy in the whole wide world!
If TheRedPill works for them, good for them. If you don't need it and that works for you, that's fine to.
The real issue these men have is internal. If you don't love yourself, no one else will. If you have no confidence in yourself, you can not inspire others to have confidence in you. You can have doubts, we all do. Even the Great Bambino had doubts, he set the all time record for strike outs. However, he was not deterred by them, learned from them, and kept coming back up to the plate. He ended his career with such a record for hitting home runs that many believed it would never be broken, and it stood for decades. Every man, deep inside, heck every person, needs to truly love themselves. Our superficial, over-exposed culture preys on our insecurities, but it can only hurt us if we let it. Love yourself, be confident in what you do and who you are, and everything tends to unfold as it should.
You will fail...a lot. Everyone does, in fact, we probably need to let ourselves fail a little more. One can learn enough from success to write an essay, but what one learns from failure could fill a library. The key is to never stop trying, never allow your self-worth to be determined by the opinions of others, and just RELAX. It will all come in time with experience. In the meantime, love yourself, never stop improving, and let the world, and the opposite sex, come to you.
If you chase, they run. If you run, they chase.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:06 am to rocket31
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uneducated
non sequitur
see i could do that latin too
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:14 am to Bayou Sam
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I don't think this is actually a thing, no.
oh wow
i mean just looking at the cultural indicators is pretty damning. look at the development of the "tv mom" for an easy example
go look at the values attributed to the "patriarchy" and how they have decreased over time. most are based in classical male behavior like aggression. rough play is being outlawed in schools. bullying is a new hot topic of evil. scores are not being kept in sports leagues. aggressive, competitive endeavors are decreasing in value in society b/c they're part of the "patriarchy"
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:16 am to kingbob
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You will fail...a lot. Everyone does, in fact, we probably need to let ourselves fail a little more.
that's a big part of the PUA/TRP philosophy that i found important to teach people. cast a wide net and you'll get more fish
the new socialization that men are supposed to invest in individual females when courting is very feminine (nesting). not only does this personalize failure, it becomes a much bigger failure b/c you've lost all your investment if it doesn't work out.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:19 am to kingbob
Excellent post, Kingbob. I 100% agree with you.
A lot of the issue with these men is they just lack the ability to read situations. They'll go after women who have given zero indication of interest. Or even worse, they'll profess their love for a woman they barely know.. and then can't understand why they're being rejected.
A lot of the issue with these men is they just lack the ability to read situations. They'll go after women who have given zero indication of interest. Or even worse, they'll profess their love for a woman they barely know.. and then can't understand why they're being rejected.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:20 am to LouisianaLady
nm. i fricked up
This post was edited on 12/31/14 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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cast a wide net and you'll get more fish
This is a fine line. Cast that wide net privately because if you're hopping from girl to girl in a way that is obvious, they'll see it.
Used to off and on see this guy that is the type to fall in love with any girl who gives him the time of day. Instead of focusing on himself and finding someone who had the right things that matched with him, he wanted every female he got to know.
I had to break it off with him because every time we hung out together, we agreed on NOTHING. We didn't have a single thing in common, and he didn't care about anything I had to say.. because we were just two different people. Yet he was sure that he was absolutely in love with me. It blew my mind.
The initial thing that turned me off to him, though, was the amount of "serious" ex girlfriends (and future girlfriends.. as I still know him) he had. It became very obvious to me that he was interested in pretty much every girl he knew. That was a turn-off. Who wants someone who doesn't like them for reasons that make them special?
This post was edited on 12/31/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:26 am to LouisianaLady
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Cast that wide net privately because if you're hopping from girl to girl in a way that is obvious, they'll see it.
that philosophy isn't about having multiple gfs. its mostly about the initial step and second step
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Used to off and on see this guy that is the type to fall in love with any girl who gives him the time of day. Instead of focusing on himself and finding someone who had the right things that matched with him, he wanted every female he got to know.
that is the opposite of casting a wide net
that's casting a bunch of very small nets...getting invested in any hit
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I think you are confused. The culture produced by late 20th century capitalism privileges certain behaviors in certain contexts, especially tameness. This is simply a byproduct of an advanced economy and urban life.
Discouraging bullying has nothing to do with manliness. And I doubt that not keeping score in sports leagues is as wide-spread as you think it is.
The attack on "patriarchy" is completely different--this is an attack on the rule of men socially and politically by women who want a share in ruling.
To top it off, what is "classic male behavior"? It's an image you have, an ideology, gleaned from movies and so forth. This is connected to the larger question of what manliness is. And in fact there is no such thing as manliness, but just a collection of occasionally contradictory features brought together by a word.
Discouraging bullying has nothing to do with manliness. And I doubt that not keeping score in sports leagues is as wide-spread as you think it is.
The attack on "patriarchy" is completely different--this is an attack on the rule of men socially and politically by women who want a share in ruling.
To top it off, what is "classic male behavior"? It's an image you have, an ideology, gleaned from movies and so forth. This is connected to the larger question of what manliness is. And in fact there is no such thing as manliness, but just a collection of occasionally contradictory features brought together by a word.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:31 am to LouisianaLady
I think a lot of men who lack self esteem are so desperate for "THE ONE" that the fall prey to a lot of self delusion. They see what they want to be true. They see a woman smile and think it means they like them because that's what they want it to mean.
Some guys can also fall for a woman's looks and create an image of that woman in their mind that she may not in any way resemble. They can even fall in love with that version of that person.
Don't kid yourself, women do the same thing as well. The difference is that when a man falls in love with a version of a woman that is different from reality, she usually dumps him because he does not love what is real. When a woman is in such a situation, she attempts to change the real man into that version she fell in love with. This can lead to them breaking up when she realizes he can't change, him changing, or her staying while continually deluding herself into thinking that she can change him when he refuses to do so.
Some guys can also fall for a woman's looks and create an image of that woman in their mind that she may not in any way resemble. They can even fall in love with that version of that person.
Don't kid yourself, women do the same thing as well. The difference is that when a man falls in love with a version of a woman that is different from reality, she usually dumps him because he does not love what is real. When a woman is in such a situation, she attempts to change the real man into that version she fell in love with. This can lead to them breaking up when she realizes he can't change, him changing, or her staying while continually deluding herself into thinking that she can change him when he refuses to do so.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:33 am to kingbob
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:39 am to Bayou Sam
maleness is being a provider
It is strength, assertiveness, confidence, respect, chivalry, and hard work.
It is doing what is necessary.
Sometimes, a little aggressiveness is necessary. The world doesn't fight fair and nothing worth doing is easy to do.
Our culture often confuses aggression with rage.
It confuses assertiveness with condescension.
It confuses chivalry for misogyny.
It confuses confidence for narcissism.
It confuses failure with discrimination.
This leads to a culture filled with men who are timid, overly accommodating, entitled, and lack self-esteem while having no clue as to how to attain anything they desire. All they know is that they deserve it, and what they have been taught to do isn't working.
It is strength, assertiveness, confidence, respect, chivalry, and hard work.
It is doing what is necessary.
Sometimes, a little aggressiveness is necessary. The world doesn't fight fair and nothing worth doing is easy to do.
Our culture often confuses aggression with rage.
It confuses assertiveness with condescension.
It confuses chivalry for misogyny.
It confuses confidence for narcissism.
It confuses failure with discrimination.
This leads to a culture filled with men who are timid, overly accommodating, entitled, and lack self-esteem while having no clue as to how to attain anything they desire. All they know is that they deserve it, and what they have been taught to do isn't working.
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:45 am to Bayou Sam
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what is "classic male behavior"? It's an image you have, an ideology, gleaned from movies and so forth.
no it's a development of evolution. we know what we came from and we see male behaviors across the animal kingdom
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The culture produced by late 20th century capitalism privileges certain behaviors in certain contexts, especially tameness. This is simply a byproduct of an advanced economy and urban life.
this is how you view the concept of "urban life" (through the prism of feminist-glossed glasses)
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The attack on "patriarchy" is completely different--this is an attack on the rule of men socially and politically by women who want a share in ruling.
and ultimately a major issue to "attack the rule of men" is to de-value traits associated with being men
look at the feminist arguments regarding pay in the workplace when it's analyzed by job type or successful traits of people who succeed in those jobs. the "hot" industry to criticize right now is tech (wall street is a good stand by to have in the back pocket at all times).
it's criticized for being a "boys club" or some other description criticizing aggressive male behavior
Posted on 12/31/14 at 11:48 am to LouisianaLady
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You said this SO MUCH BETTER than I did.
Probably because he is a man! #redpillpower
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