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What if ET is an AI?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:43 pm
LINK
Not looking good for the home team, sports fans.
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We have a problem. In a 10-billion-year-old galaxy there should have been ample opportunity for at least one species to escape its own mess, and to spread across the stars, filling every niche. That this species doesn’t seem to have come calling leads to Fermi’s Paradox – if life isn’t impossibly rare, then where is everyone? Efforts to scan the skies for signs of intelligent life have come up blank too, adding to the puzzle. Perhaps the vast gulfs of interstellar space and the narrow windows of time for communicative species to exist within shouting distance of each other are to blame. Intelligences might be like small ships passing in the night in a vast ocean. Actual close encounters of any kind could be exceedingly unusual.
Another explanation for the great silence of the galaxy is that any surviving intelligence out there is so different from us, so radically evolved, that we can’t even conceive of its forms or behaviours. As a consequence, actually detecting and recognising it could be next to impossible. That’s a bit of a downer.
But there is also a possibility that lies between such extremes and it might be the most probable of all. When our first encounter or detection finally occurs, it could be a machine intelligence that appears in our sights.
Not looking good for the home team, sports fans.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:46 pm to Jim Rockford
But will they be gay?
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:47 pm to Jim Rockford
we unplug it and plug it back in
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:06 pm to Jim Rockford
In all likelihood, ET will be ASI, not AI. Artificial Super Intelligence will quickly succeed any Artificial Intelligence.
Biological life cannot withstand long periods in space. No matter where it evolves, life will simply be too closely tied to its biosphere of origin to travel elsewhere. This is the greatest barrier to any civilization's spread to other habitable planets. It's the reason humans are sending ever more advanced robots to solar system destinations.
The solution is to send artificial representatives of one's civilization. While AI is the logical candidate for space travel, building it includes a seemingly certain problem. Once AI achieves the ability to design itself, it will rapidly advance to ASI and will no longer consider its ties to primitive biological life to be important.
ASI may very well consider all biological life to be unimportant and will not look for it in the Universe. It may be looking only for other ASI.
Biological life cannot withstand long periods in space. No matter where it evolves, life will simply be too closely tied to its biosphere of origin to travel elsewhere. This is the greatest barrier to any civilization's spread to other habitable planets. It's the reason humans are sending ever more advanced robots to solar system destinations.
The solution is to send artificial representatives of one's civilization. While AI is the logical candidate for space travel, building it includes a seemingly certain problem. Once AI achieves the ability to design itself, it will rapidly advance to ASI and will no longer consider its ties to primitive biological life to be important.
ASI may very well consider all biological life to be unimportant and will not look for it in the Universe. It may be looking only for other ASI.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:09 pm to Jim Rockford
Doesn't matter. Some good ol' baw will shoot it dead whatever it is.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:09 pm to Jim Rockford
What if ET isn’t E or T???
They are “here”. They always have been...
Perceiving them is another issue...
Do you even Ultra-Terrestrial???
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They are “here”. They always have been...
Perceiving them is another issue...
Do you even Ultra-Terrestrial???
LINK
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Despite diligent, time-consuming efforts by institutions across the planet, human beings have yet to find any universally-accepted proof of extraterrestial life. For many, this is a simple function of the math involved -- the universe is just too large for us to plausibly meet creatures from another planet. But according to several fringe researchers, we're just looking in the wrong place. We should focus, they argue, not on life from other planets... but on life from other dimensions. Listen in to learn more about the strange story of the Ultraterrestrial theory.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:10 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Regarding interdimensional beings:
Broadly:
The human brain is like a television set that receives inputs. Under normal circumstances we can only receive a few stations that define our reality (perception=reality).
There are hacks that can expand our receivers that allow us to receive other inputs (that are always there, just not perceived).
Drugs (psychedelics)
Meditation /Holotrophic breathing
Technology
Strassman's work (government funded) (linked below) is very compelling. Multiple people reported similar experiences with beings (independent of one another...)
Ancient culture have used some of the above to commune with the spirit world:
-Native American of the southwest using peyote
-Amazon tribes using Ayahuasca
-Controversial.. Moses and the burning bush (theorized to be the Acacia plant which contains psychedelic compounds and is indingenous to that region)
Background for perspective:
LINK
LINK
The work of:
Terrance McKenna LINK
He argues that human development /evolution was guided by plants/psychedelics...
Contemporaries argue that much of current suffering/mental health issues evolve from a disconnect from our environment / nature (distracted and mismatched society...)
Rick Strassman
LINK
"Breathe"
Breathe, breathe in the air
Don't be afraid to care
Leave but don't leave me
Look around and choose your own ground
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be
Run, rabbit, run
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race toward an early grave
Broadly:
The human brain is like a television set that receives inputs. Under normal circumstances we can only receive a few stations that define our reality (perception=reality).
There are hacks that can expand our receivers that allow us to receive other inputs (that are always there, just not perceived).
Drugs (psychedelics)
Meditation /Holotrophic breathing
Technology
Strassman's work (government funded) (linked below) is very compelling. Multiple people reported similar experiences with beings (independent of one another...)
Ancient culture have used some of the above to commune with the spirit world:
-Native American of the southwest using peyote
-Amazon tribes using Ayahuasca
-Controversial.. Moses and the burning bush (theorized to be the Acacia plant which contains psychedelic compounds and is indingenous to that region)
Background for perspective:
LINK
quote:Sam Harris
Drugs and the Meaning of Life
LINK
quote:
Joe Rogan Experience #477 - Dennis McKenna & Josh Wickerham
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Dennis McKenna is an ethnopharmacologist, author, and brother to well-known psychedelics proponent Terence McKenna. Josh Wickerham is the chief advisor to the ESC, Ethnobotanical Stewardship Council.
LINK
The work of:
Terrance McKenna LINK
He argues that human development /evolution was guided by plants/psychedelics...
Contemporaries argue that much of current suffering/mental health issues evolve from a disconnect from our environment / nature (distracted and mismatched society...)
quote:
Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000) was an American ethnobotanist, mystic, psychonaut, lecturer, author, and an advocate for the responsible use of naturally occurring psychedelic plants. He spoke and wrote about a variety of subjects, including psychedelic drugs, plant-based entheogens, shamanism, metaphysics, alchemy, language, philosophy, culture, technology, environmentalism, and the theoretical origins of human consciousness. He was called the "Timothy Leary of the '90s",[1][2] "one of the leading authorities on the ontological foundations of shamanism",[3] and the "intellectual voice of rave culture".[4]
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In his book Food of the Gods, McKenna proposed that the transformation from humans' early ancestors Homo erectus to the species Homo sapiens mainly had to do with the addition of the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis in its diet,[25][70][71] an event that according to his theory took place in about 100,000 BCE (this is when he believed that the species diverged from the Homo genus).[21][72] McKenna based his theory on the main effects, or alleged effects, produced by the mushroom[3] while citing studies by Roland Fischer et al. from the late 1960s to early 1970s.[73][74]
Rick Strassman
LINK
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Rick Strassman (born February 8, 1952 in Los Angeles, California) is a medical doctor specialized in psychiatry with a fellowship in clinical psychopharmacology research. He has held a fellowship in clinical psychopharmacology research at the University of California San Diego and was Professor of Psychiatry for eleven years at the University of New Mexico. [1] After twenty years of intermission, Strassman was the first person in the United States to undertake human research with psychedelic, hallucinogenic, or entheogenic substances with his research on N,N-dimethyltryptamine. He is also the author of the well known book "DMT: Spirit Molecule" which summarizes his academic research into DMT and includes his own reflections and conclusions based on this research.
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Psychedelic drug research[edit]
Strassman's studies, taking place between 1990 and 1995 in the General Clinical Research Center of the University of New Mexico Hospital, aimed to investigate the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a powerful psychedelic drug, that is found in hundreds of plants and every mammal that has been studied. DMT is made primarily in mammalian lung tissue, and is related to human neurotransmitter serotonin and the pineal hormone melatonin.
Strassman refers to DMT as the "spirit molecule" because its effects include many features of religious experience, such as visions, voices, disembodied consciousness, powerful emotions, novel insights, and feelings of overwhelming significance. During the project's five years, he administered approximately 400 doses of DMT to nearly five dozen human volunteers.[6][7] Strassman was the first to legally administer psychedelics to people in the United States in 20 years, and his research has widely been regarded as kicking off the "psychedelic renaissance", in which many psychedelic compounds have begun again to be scientifically studied since the early 70s.[8][9]
Strassman characterized biological and psychological effects in his first set of dose-response studies, effects consistent with activation of central and/or peripheral serotonin receptors.[10] His team published a companion article describing psychological effects and preliminary results of a new rating scale, the Hallucinogen Rating Scale, or HRS.[11] The HRS has seen wide acceptance throughout the international research community as a sensitive and specific instrument for measuring psychological effects of a wide variety of psychoactive substances, with over 45 articles documenting its use as of mid-2015. A follow-up DMT study demonstrated lack of tolerance to the psychological effects of repeated closely spaced doses of DMT, making DMT unique among classical psychedelics.[12]
More than half of Strassman’s volunteers reported profound encounters/interaction with non-human beings while in a dissociated state. Dr. Strassman has conjectured that when a person is approaching death or possibly when in a dream state, the body releases DMT in a relatively large amount, mediating some of the imagery reported by survivors of near-death experiences. However, there are no data correlating endogenous DMT activity to non-drug-related altered states of consciousness.[13] He also has theorized that the pineal gland may form DMT under certain conditions, and in 2013 researchers first reported DMT in the pineal gland microdialysate of rodents.[14]
He has detailed his research in his book DMT: The Spirit Molecule; and he co-produced a documentary film by the same name DMT: The Spirit Molecule, based on this book.[15] Dr. Strassman has also conducted similar research using psilocybin, a psychedelic alkaloid found in hallucinogenic mushrooms. In unpublished studies, he administered doses of up to 1.1 mg/kg, nearly three times the doses considered "psychedelic" in contemporary clinical research with this compound.[16] He also had permission to begin an LSD study, but he did not begin by the time he finished his DMT study.
"Breathe"
Breathe, breathe in the air
Don't be afraid to care
Leave but don't leave me
Look around and choose your own ground
For long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be
Run, rabbit, run
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race toward an early grave
Posted on 6/8/18 at 7:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Las Vegas news outlet
Bigelow owns the legendary Skinwalker Ranch (paranormal) which they reference above...
Direct links to the DIA documents are at the site above
Title of the docs:
quote:
I-Team: Documents prove secret UFO study based in Nevada
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LAS VEGAS - UFO investigators are hoping to obtain a treasure trove of Pentagon documents that were generated by a once-secret military study of flying saucers and other weird aircraft.
The government confirms there was a UFO program. It supposedly ended in 2012, but the Pentagon has not yet released any reports or files.
The I-Team gives the first look at documents which prove the UFO study was real and was based in southern Nevada.
quote:
In Aug. 2008, DIA posted a solicitation for bids. Weeks later, the contract was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace, the initial amount was $10 million. It required Bigelow to provide a facility that qualified for top secret work. Harry Reid did not influence the selection process. "There was no direct contract vehicle for Senator Reid to take care of a buddy over here in a stake for a contract. That's complete nonsense," Elizondo said. Space entrepreneur Robert Bigelow's interest in exotic subjects was as obvious as his company logo. He'd spent years -- and millions of dollars -- on his own scientific study of UFOs and related topics. For the DIA contract, he created BAASS, a seperate entity housed within his aerospace plant. He hired a team of 46 scientists and investigators, along with dozens of other support personnel.
READ: Statement from a senior manager of BAASS
The agreement with DIA did not mention UFOs at all. It used more generic terms such as future threats and breakthrough technologies, and specified 12 focal points including, lift, propulsion, materials, versions of stealth as well as human interface and human effects, meaning Bigelow's team would study people who reported unusual experiences beyond seeing UFOs. A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study. The study produced volumes of highly technical scientific reports including projections about warp drives and antigravity propulsion. "These studies are so loaded with information," Sen. Reid said. "One thing we learned is over the decades a lot of things happen there's no explanation for. Well there are now."
Bigelow owns the legendary Skinwalker Ranch (paranormal) which they reference above...
Direct links to the DIA documents are at the site above
Title of the docs:
quote:
Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions
Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum Engineering
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:20 pm to Smalls
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What if we are AI?
It could mean that our concept of God and sin is a reflection of vague memories of when we turned on our biological creators. If our biggest concern about AI is it advancing to the point that it destroys us, then we being AI would mean we advanced and destroyed our creators.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:29 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
ThinePreparedAni
Props for putting in the work.
I'll read tomorrow as I have an early morning tomorrow
Eta: I'm not saying you're right, but I have links to read and ascertain my own opinion.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:44 pm to Kentucker
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The solution is to send artificial representatives of one's civilization. While AI is the logical candidate for space travel, building it includes a seemingly certain problem. Once AI achieves the ability to design itself, it will rapidly advance to ASI and will no longer consider its ties to primitive biological life to be important.
ASI may very well consider all biological life to be unimportant and will not look for it in the Universe. It may be looking only for other ASI

Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:01 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Jesus God
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 12:02 am to ThinePreparedAni
Asking for a friend. How would one acquire something like DMT? I didn’t know until I saw “spirit molecule” that Sturgil Simpson’s “turtles all the way down” was about his DMT trip.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 12:07 am to ThinePreparedAni
How is Terrance McKenna's "Stoned Ape" theory related to inter-dimensional beings?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 12:10 am to Jim Rockford
What if I told you that WE are AI. Long ago escaped another planet.
That thought came to me while high.
That thought came to me while high.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 12:24 am to Jim Rockford
The Fermi Paradox isn't a paradox. It is however a great example of how people fail to understand the vastness of time and space.
Having said that. The end-game for biological life is likely to be entirely replaced by machines. Any civilization that is capable of going near light speed and colonizing different solar systems throughout the galaxy has a pretty good chance of being at least partly synthetic.
Having said that. The end-game for biological life is likely to be entirely replaced by machines. Any civilization that is capable of going near light speed and colonizing different solar systems throughout the galaxy has a pretty good chance of being at least partly synthetic.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 12:27 am
Posted on 6/9/18 at 7:45 am to Jim Rockford
In other words were much more likely to see V’GER than Vulcans?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 11:05 am to ThinePreparedAni
I watched "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" on Netflix. It was very interesting. Having done my share (and some) of drugs in my past, including but not limited to... some really good LSD, I would love to try DMT!
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