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re: What do plant operators do? And how much do they really make?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You are saying most plant workers have secondary educations or professional degrees?
I'm saying most are more educated in school and on the job than the general population.
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Interesting. The engineers and management do, but they are outnumbered "big" by lower educated workers "chief"
Probably because an engineering degree doesn't qualify you to be intelligent across the board.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:02 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Again, only about 40% of adults ghave any retirement savings,
And again, if someone is working at a good job in this field, they are getting a modified pension and a company contribution to a 401-K. With little effort a guy with half a lick of sense is still retiring after 30 years if he does the bare minimum to help his cause.
But those that know a little bit will buy their company stock at the very nice discount offered and chip a little into a retirement plan.
Again, we are not talking about field hands and guys chasing turnaround money here.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:05 pm to notiger1997
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And again, if someone is working at a good job in this field, they are getting a modified pension and a company contribution to a 401-K.
Yep.
The mariners who work for us are retiring in style and some have a GED.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:09 pm to notiger1997
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But those that know a little bit will buy their company stock at the very nice discount offered and chip a little into a retirement plan.
Mingo is missing that these guys are known for squeezing every fricking drop from the berry. If they find out there is a benefit they will work 3x's harder than necessary to get that dollar. 401k match is free money, no doubt they are figuring out a way to get it and maximize it.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:10 pm to notiger1997
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And again, if someone is working at a good job in this field, they are getting a modified pension and a company contribution to a 401-K. With little effort a guy with half a lick of sense is still retiring after 30 years if he does the bare minimum to help his cause.
Then why do 60% of people not do it? Anyone working at a place better than McDonald's has retirement plans yet they still don't contribute. You retards dispute raw data because you and a couple of guys you know are the exception to the general data point, that doesnt change the general data point. Thinking a bunch of dudes with GEDs save at a higher rate than people with college degrees is not only stupid its wrong by every measurable metric, but keep making yourself look like a Neanderthal.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Whatever baw. Keep up the good fight.
GEDs? LOL
This thread as been entertaining to say the least.
GEDs? LOL
This thread as been entertaining to say the least.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:13 pm to Prominentwon
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Who did that?
Have seen it multiple times in Ops shelters.
Not everyone participates, and I tend to believe that I witnessed anomalies more than usual behavior. Usually the more "alpha" types were bragging.
However, I get gross income updates regularly from plenty of operators...unsolicited updates.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:15 pm to lsupride87
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"frick man, last week was brutal. Put in 64 hours"-Staff auditor
As a senior, I look at hours report, he put in a cool 47
What firm are you with baw?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:16 pm to iamAG
Lot of board operators making well over $42/hr
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:16 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Thinking a bunch of dudes with GEDs save at a higher rate than people with college degrees is not only stupid its wrong by every measurable metric, but keep making yourself look like a Neanderthal.
Spending 100k for a general studies degree and getting a job hustling rental cars at Enterprise automatically qualifies you as a financial savant in your mind.
I would say there are plenty middle management types not saving for retirement because they assume they will make it up in a few years when they get their promotion.
But yes, there are just as many operations guys not saving enough.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:16 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Thinking a bunch of dudes with GEDs save at a higher rate than people with college degrees is not only stupid its wrong by every measurable metric, but keep making yourself look like a Neanderthal.
You're so frickin naive....
You an engineer Baw? Because you're proving my point
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:17 pm to fightin tigers
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these guys are known for squeezing every fricking drop from the berry. If they find out there is a benefit they will work 3x's harder than necessary to get that dollar.
Then buy a boat with it.
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401k match is free money, no doubt they are figuring out a way to get it and maximize it.
Then why do 60% of people not do it? I'm not telling you it's not dumb I'm just telling you people don't do it. This is specific to plant workers, but you can't convince me guys with average to below average education are bucking the savings trend when we already know that more education generally means more savings. If you can provide reliable data that they do, I'd be happy to tell you youre right, but you won't because they don't.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:19 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Why are you so dense as to assume that the guys we are talking about are getting in with GED's. Go to Exxon, Dow, Shell, or Marathon with just a GED and you will get laughed at.
This isn't 1975
This isn't 1975
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:23 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Then why do 60% of people not do it?
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This is specific to plant workers,
If you have reliable data that that operations guys are worse, I'll go with it.
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If you can provide reliable data that they do, I'd be happy to tell you youre right, but you won't because they don
I can't across the board. Haven't worked everywhere. I will say I know many who don't contribute to their 401k. Just that the overwhelming majority get at least the company match. Probably 30% max out. 10% out in lots post tax, has started really heated conversations. Most companies really really promote this, for obvious reasons. Even promote upping your percentage every time raises come.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:27 pm to notiger1997
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Why are you so dense as to assume that the guys we are talking about are getting in with GED's. Go to Exxon, Dow, Shell, or Marathon with just a GED and you will get laughed at
Well as of 2012 70% of manufacturing workers didn't have a college degree so unless in 6 years the entire workforce makeup has changed I don't think I will.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:30 pm to fightin tigers
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Spending 100k for a general studies degree and getting a job hustling rental cars at Enterprise automatically qualifies you as a financial savant in your mind.
Enterprise has a highly respected management training program and most employees move up within the company or end up in great jobs elsewhere
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:30 pm to fightin tigers
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If you have reliable data that that operations guys are worse, I'll go with it.
I can prove that generally the more education you have the more you save, and I can also prove the large majority of plant workers don't have a college degree so we can reasonably deduct that they will be average best case scenario and worse more times than not.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:32 pm to yellowfin
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Enterprise has a highly respected management training program and most employees move up within the company or end up in great jobs elsewhere
I'm not disparaging Enterprise and the many fine people who work there.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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, and I can also prove the large majority of plant workers don't have a college degree so we can reasonably deduct that they will be average best case scenario and worse more times than not
So, you are going to lump them in as simply 'uneducated' and not take into account anything that could alter the stats.
Do you understand how averages are calculated?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 5:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I can prove that generally the more education you have the more you save, and I can also prove the large majority of plant workers don't have a college degree so we can reasonably deduct that they will be average best case scenario and worse more times than not.
You really need to go back and slap the hell out of your parents for how you turned out. So sheltered
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