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re: Welp. Looks like Polio is back on the menu.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:02 pm to Gaggle
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:02 pm to Gaggle
You have the burden of proof backwards.
There are hundreds of thousands or millions of scientific studies supporting and/or built on germ theory.
You have to do better than just say "x is not explained by theory y".
There are hundreds of thousands or millions of scientific studies supporting and/or built on germ theory.
You have to do better than just say "x is not explained by theory y".
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:03 pm to Gaggle
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Stop trying to distract from the fact that you yourself still have zero studies to refute it. And face it. You're the doctor.
First, you need to stop distracting from the fact that you posted two accounts of the same fricking experiment and then didn't seem to read either. That is far flimsier than any methodology I've posted in response. A normal person would be embarrassed.
Also, this should satisfy you, since the Rosenau experiments apparently did.
Please read it before you keep going, because it is the exact type of experiment you keep asking for, just with results that you won't like.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:05 pm to TigerDoc
quote:I did not propose germ theory.
You have the burden of proof backwards.
quote:Show one that directly proves it. Sick people directly get other people sick with expectorated droplets. It's very simple. Hundreds of years, countless experiments, under every level of ethics. Where is it?
There are hundreds of thousands or millions of scientific studies supporting and/or built on germ theory.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:06 pm to Gaggle
Pasteur, Koch, Semelweis from the 19th c. on. Did you read Crazy's passage about influenza inoculation?
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:08 pm to Gaggle
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Show one that directly proves it.
I now have, after doing cursory research on the origin of one of your links! My god man, you have to read things before you post them. I'm buzzing though. Thank you for another night where I'm gonna be just jaunting around typing up stuff.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:12 pm to danilo
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Look at autism rates
Biden got the vax and booster and is autistic.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:12 pm to TigerDoc
Pasteur flatly admits in his notes he falsified results. Koch infected animals. I love how you smart doctors keep pulling shoddy apocryphal 19th century textbook shite we all learned in HS/college that you know doesn't approach the clear criteria to prove human to human aerosol transmission. Would any of those meet your colleague's level of scrutiny directed at the Rosenaus? Of course not.
Human to human aerosol transmission of a disease. A real study, a direct study.
Human to human aerosol transmission of a disease. A real study, a direct study.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:16 pm to Gaggle
When I was younger and more patient I would argue young earth creationism with people on the internet and their belief in the theory was unshakeably based on this or that gap in the fossil record. Even if that gap exists, it takes more than that to disprove a theory based on a large amount of data.
As I mentioned in the other thread, even if you were right about this gap in the research about aerosols, how would invalidate inoculation by droplets, other bodily fluids, fecal-oral?
Are we about to make inference-to-cabal?
As I mentioned in the other thread, even if you were right about this gap in the research about aerosols, how would invalidate inoculation by droplets, other bodily fluids, fecal-oral?
Are we about to make inference-to-cabal?
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:18 pm to TigerDoc
quote:First you need to validate them. The burden is on you to justify sticking that needle. Polio went up when you stuck it in the 50s.
how would invalidate inoculation by droplets, other bodily fluids, fecal-oral?
Also flu still exists even for those who get stuck. And your covid vaccine is a complete disaster.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:21 pm to Gaggle
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Would any of those meet your colleague's level of scrutiny directed at the Rosenaus?
It is directed at you, because even in Rosenau's JAMA article, he is far more limited than you've been. You didn't understand the historical context, made the incorrect assumption that H. influenzae was the same thing as viral influenza, and then used it as your source, with absolutely no effort put in to even be critical about your analysis, or even possibly conceive that you were simply mistaken about a fact of history. You haven't even grappled with any studies posted and write them off before you've read them. You really need to read more thoroughly before you start posting stuff.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:21 pm to Gaggle
You can (and will) of course continue to assert they're not there, but epidemiology, immunology, therapeutics journals are filled with them.
Let's relate this to your flat earth beliefs.
What's the common connection between the two ideas?
Let's relate this to your flat earth beliefs.
What's the common connection between the two ideas?
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:21 pm to Gaggle
The wife has an interesting problem that provides a lot of support to getting the polio vaccine. She contracted polio 73 years ago , has no muscle control nerves in her right leg and about 40% in left leg for the last 72 years.
Finding a doctor with meaning full knowledge about the aging progresssion on her legs is impossible. The overall success of the polio vaccine is evident.
Gonna try contacting an orthopedic guy who works with severe cancer people because of the similarity with muscle and bone loss.
Also,,,,,,,the rise in polio cases after ww2 may well have been related to the advent of indoor sanitary plumbing. Prior to that, folks would get a mild case that worked like a vaccine . With sanitary plumbing there were more folks severly infected.
Regardless the late 40and 50's were a terrifying time as each start of the new school year you would have a freind that would not return
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:23 pm to TigerDoc
quote:libraries of candlemakers
You can (and will) of course continue to assert they're not there, but epidemiology, immunology, therapeutics journals are filled with them.
Can't even prove their candle theory
You'd think if their theory was something like candles keep you from getting sick they'd do the simple test. But they could certainly make endless scientific journals with deep microscopic investigation, highly specialized nomenclature suggesting and implying that candles do so. They could do that.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:24 pm to Gaggle
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First you need to validate them. The burden is on you to justify sticking that needle. Polio went up when you stuck it in the 50s.
You keep saying this, but the reports from the National Office of Vital Statistics show a different story, with 15000 cases in 1956, down from 28000 in 1955, and 5000 cases in 1957.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:25 pm to Gaggle
flat earth and germ theory denial, gaggle.
Link them for me.
Link them for me.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:26 pm to Gaggle
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Can't even prove their candle theory
So I take it that you didn't read the last page of the chapter I posted? Because that is an example of the direct evidence you want from us. Oddly, you never demand this type of standard for yourself.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:26 pm to TigerDoc
You'd think if their theory was something like candles keep you from getting sick they'd do the simple test. But they could certainly make endless scientific journals with deep microscopic investigation, highly specialized nomenclature suggesting and implying that candles do so. They could do that.
Wouldn't you expect it of them to do the actual test though?
Wouldn't you expect it of them to do the actual test though?
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:28 pm to Gaggle
You won't say it because you know how it sounds. 
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:29 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I had a 3-4 page letter from a trial lawyer friend of mine who represented a lot of people injured by vaccines but was also on the national vaccine board on vaccines 20 years when all this started up, who laid everything out in detail no bullshite. I wish I could find it.
Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:30 pm to crazy4lsu
The experiment seems to prove flu is not caused by bacteria. That is it. It does not prove it is caused by a virus they couldn't detect, that is a non sequitur
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