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re: Was WCW Sabotaged?

Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:28 pm to
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:28 pm to
Hogan was still cartoonish in the nwo. How many times can you play a belt like a guitar, fake laugh at nothing, etc Nash and hall were perfect for those roles, laid back and brought "coolness" to a stale product. Hall really made it work, He was the workhorse of the group.

I remember when the 1 2 3 kid upset him on Raw. But no way did the nwo need a 40+ man stable, then there was the lwo and whatever else wo. The ball got dropped a lot in the 2000's.

The wcw vs wwf could have been epic.

Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:32 pm to
Wrasslin's serious business, brah.
Posted by Mickey Donovan
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 6:42 pm to
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But no way did the nwo need a 40+ man stable


That's really what killed it. It went fro being cool to being terribly repetitive week in and week out. NWO took up all the time and noone else was being pushed. I still laugh when I think that Virgil was in the NWO

Other than Goldberg, DDP, and crow sting, no one else was doing shite.

I was a WWE fan so it was all gravy to me.

ETA: the worst, however, was the WCW "invasion" of WWEafter vince bought everything. Just terrible. I stopped watching wrestling around that time.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 7:07 pm to
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ETA: the worst, however, was the WCW "invasion" of WWEafter vince bought everything. Just terrible. I stopped watching wrestling around that time.


It would have been good if they had approached it different. JR and Jerry Lawler totally went the route of burying them on commentary. I get what they were doing, but they were shooting themselves in the foot because those guys were their new talent.
Really took all the air out of it. I was a loyal wwf fan, even during the low times of duke the dumpster, doink the clown, etc.

But wcw had talent, just needed to use them right. The guys they were pushing silenced the talents of guys who were ready. But they totally screwed that invasion up by downplaying it themselves.
Posted by Mickey Donovan
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:56 pm to
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duke the dumpster, doink the clown,


I remember those days. Duke the dumpster drosie. Just terrible.

I was also a loyal WWE fan. I never looked at WCW as competition pre-Nitro. Used to enjoy watching WCW saturday night on TBS, but then catch the real show on USA (WWF primetime and later Raw). When Nitro first showed up, I thought it was going to be a joke, until Lex Luger showed up the night after beating Yokozuna by count out on summerslam. Soon after, my dad was on WCW's side.

What I miss most about wrestling is the competition between the two major companies. Wrestling is fake but WWF vs WCW was real. After that, it was never the same.
Posted by tigerbutt
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 8:59 pm to
WGAF
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:07 pm to
The club la vela nitro's in Panama City were the best
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 9:20 pm to
I remember always wanting to see a pre-crow sting vs Bret Hart. Another guy wcw dropped the ball with.

The Monday night wars took on a life of their own. Seemed like Eric was more set on making it an event at a wrestling show. Having concerts, actors, etc they treated their championship as a prop.

Vince used the talent he had to make the event. Vince was just so much more of a boss, businessman, promoter and personality than Eric.
Posted by Scrowe
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:53 am to
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Was WCW Sabotaged?


All you have to do is watch how the WWE took Chris Jericho from being looked at as nothing but a Cruiserweight and the unmasker of luchidors, built him up over months with a countdown and then trotted him out in one of the greatest (if not the greatest) debut in WWE history.

Bringing him out in the middle of The Rock being on the mic and made him an instant star, even though from the pop he received you would have thought he was a megastar in the WWE for years. That's how you differentiate the ability of the WWE back then versus WCW.

WCW had it's rise and monumental fall thanks to Scott Hall and Kevin Nash.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 8:55 am to
Nash and Hall, The Outsiders

Remember the announcers called it a "hostile takeover"
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:17 am to
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All you have to do is watch how the WWE took Chris Jericho from being looked at as nothing but a Cruiserweight and the unmasker of luchidors, built him up over months with a countdown and then trotted him out in one of the greatest (if not the greatest) debut in WWE history.

That's a great point. Seems like star wrasslers need either kick arse presence (Undertaker) or charisma. The best have both. Jericho had monster charisma and it shows the management prowess that they could recognize that and turn it into something huge.

Meanwhile WCW kept pushing clowns like Disco Fever and others with little presence or charisma.

Russo definitely killed WCW with the clown storylines.
Posted by Kracka
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:19 am to
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They held back real, potential talent by pushing the proven, old talent.


Funny, the WWE keeps doing that now.
Posted by cleeveclever
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:25 am to
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But no way did the nwo need a 40+ man stable, then there was the lwo and whatever else wo. The ball got dropped a lot in the 2000's.


Unfortunately, the main components of the nWo were opposed to wrestling in anything but pay-per-views. Nash has gone on record multiple times saying they knew their contracts inside and out and were going to do the minimum required to get paid.

The WCW had to get the nWo into matches since they had 5 hours of live programming a week to fill. So guys like Buff Bagwell, Scott Norton, Vincent and Scott Steiner had to fill the time in order to push the nWo angle, which was so huge at the time.

Hall, Nash and Hogan basically showed up every couple of weeks, did run-ins in order to "push" a PPV match and then they disappeared.
It eventually got so bloated that the "exclusivity" that the nWo boasted of was basically dissolved.

It became the Discover Card of wrestling factions.
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:26 am to
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They held back real, potential talent by pushing the proven, old talent.


quote:

Funny, the WWE keeps doing that now.


The question of when to push young talent vs keeping older stars at the top has been and probably will always be a big issue in pro wrestling.

Late WCW, along with its other problems, took it to ridiculous extremes.
Posted by ZacAttack
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:28 am to


The inside man.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:41 am to
To get back on topic. Theres a video of kanyon rip that he said there was an inside man.

Anybody find it odd that bischoff and his investors offered 48 million and mcmahon bought wcw for 4 million.
Posted by Kracka
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:43 am to
The problem I have with WWE, is that they are struggling to get a true super star headliner to replace Cena. Cena has run his course, fans are not buying his story anymore. So they bring in Lesnar, who isn't going to be there week in and week out. He's just going to show up at a few Raw's and probably a couple PPV's. That sucks. Daniel Bryan will never get the belts back, so WWE is going to get really shitting at the top for a while. Get ready for more of the authority shite, and more of the bella twins shite. The only bright side to it is there is still the Wyatts, but they are starting to get boring and repetative.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42104 posts
Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:44 am to
At what point did Ted Turner get out of the WCW mix?
Posted by ZacAttack
The Land Mass
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:53 am to
Time Warner had the majority of shares of WCW, Ted Turner was on the board of directors at the time the Vince purchased it. I think a TBS (also owned by Time Warner) executive said no more wrestling on TBS and that was the end of WCW.

There was also another buyer, Jeff Jarrett, if I remember correctly he had all his stuff together and made an offer but was told to frick off. Then he went off and made TNA.
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 9:59 am to
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