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re: Was there a battle in history bloodier than Stalingrad?

Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:28 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:28 am to
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Stalin initially wanted the civilians to stay in the city, though, because he believed his soldiers would fight harder for a live city than they would a dead one. However, bombardment from German artillery as well as the Luftwaffe reduced 95% of the city to total ruin. The city was thus reluctantly evacuated because there was literally nowhere for civilians to take shelter from the battle.

Of the 2 million casualties suffered by both sides during the Battle of Stalingrad, only 40,000 of those were from the civilian population.


Exactly. That's why from a civilian standpoint, the Battle of Lenningrad was much worse. And you could say the same thing about the Battle of Berlin as well.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:32 am to
The Siege of Baghdad would be pretty high up there. More of a massacre really, but the river ran black and red at the end of it.

If we're counting massacres, the Rape of Nanking would be up there too. Just unspeakably horrifying.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:35 am to
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I dare say, with the possible exception of some of the exploits of the Mongols, nothing in history can compare to the "Rape of Nanking".


Sounds like we're on the same page here.
Posted by CadesCove
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:37 am to
I wouldn't have wanted to be in Dresden or Tokyo in 1945 either.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:37 am to
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battle in history bloodier than Stalingrad?
The Battle of the Synchronized Amazons
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:39 am to
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Omaha beach was awful but the other beaches weren't as bad. Landing at Omaha would certainly have been one of the scariest experiences in military history though.


Just to put things in perspective, at Stalingrad, each side had roughly the equivalent of an Omaha Beach every day for 6 months. (Each side suffered between 400k and 450k KIA over the roughly 6 months, depending on how you assess the area of operations/area of interest - so, that gives you between ~2400 to ~2750 KIA each day, each side - and total casualties amounted to a little over double the KIA).

It is difficult to imagine an almost purely military struggle more bloody than Stalingrad because no one fields armies of that size anymore. Logistically, no one wants to feed, clothe and equip an army of that size, and military forces are supremely lethal in modern times making such a large concentration of forces - essentially - an attractive target.

The projected campaign to invade and conquer the Japanese home islands in 1945 or 1946 expected to have similar or higher rates of casulaties on both sides, but contemplated a lot of civilian casualties as well, particularly based on what happened at Okinawa.
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Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 11:45 am to
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I wouldn't have wanted to be in Dresden or Tokyo in 1945 either.


One battle that gets overlooked when it comes to civilian suffering is the Battle of Manila during the Philippines Campaign in 1945. During the month long battle, somewhere around 100,000 civilians died and the city itself was basically leveled.


LINK


Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:42 pm to
This is very true. Manila was laid waste by American forces.

Below is a picture of Stalingrad in the battle's aftermath. The square patches surrounding the partially intact buildings are where buildings once stood. There was literally nothing left of a lot of these structures:



Posted by retired trucker
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:44 pm to
wasn't there a movie made on that a few years back?
Posted by retired trucker
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:48 pm to
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Just to put things in perspective, at Stalingrad, each side had roughly the equivalent of an Omaha Beach every day for 6 months.


thanks for the cold shot of reality...
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