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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?

Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:55 pm to
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Can we clarify if you mean conditional surrender or unconditional surrender?


Ok can you answer the question now?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:56 pm to
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have you ever been to the WW2 museum in NOLA?


Yea. Was there a point to that question other than furthering your reputation as a dumbass?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:56 pm to
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Your certainty that those bombs didn't save a single American life show just how ignorant you are.


and your certainty that it did shows how ignorant you are.

the head of the Allied command said Japan was beaten and the bombings were completely unnecessary.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:57 pm to
yes, to show the Ruskies what we had, and to potentially prevent more loss of GIs. FWIW, the Japs didn't surrender because of the bomb, they stopped fighting because they knew we could stop commies from taking over their land
Posted by BobLeeDagger
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:57 pm to
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The planes in your photo are German.


This frickin guy
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:57 pm to
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Yea. Was there a point to that question other than furthering your reputation as a dumbass?


you're very defensive
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:57 pm to
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and your certainty that it did shows how ignorant you are.



You're the only person that spoke definitively, idiot. Link to me saying it definitely did. Please.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:58 pm to
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you're very defensive



And you're deflecting.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:58 pm to
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You're the only person that spoke definitively


bc the bombings were entirely unrelated to the peace process which had already begun.
Posted by GumpInLex
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
Just watched a very informative documentary on the 2 bombs (mainly focusing on the first).

To answer your question: was it necessary to drop the nuclear bombs? No

Did they bring about a speedier conclusion to the war, and prevent us from having to attempt an invasion the likes have never been seen in human history? Very much, Yes.

The Japanese were literally teaching schoolgirls to fight in Hiroshima at the time the bomb was dropped. Bushido is a real thing (or was). It would have been a bitter struggle for every inch of ground. Just like in Okinawa, there would have also been mass civilian suicide.

One of the biggest reasons the Japanese refused to surrender, is that until right before the bomb was dropped, we wouldnt even entertain terms of surrender where the Emperor system survived. Right before the flight of the Enola Gay, we broadcast a warning, stating that we would only require a full surrender of the Japanese armed forces, giving them an out to keep the Emperor in place. They just didnt believe we were being sincere.

Either way- we would have won the war regardless. But if it would have been anything like my godfather’s account of the Hell that was the battle of Okinawa, we were not in the wrong to do what we did.
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Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
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And you're deflecting.


i've answered pretty much every question directly
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
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bc the bombings were entirely unrelated to the peace process which had already begun.



Says you.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
The easy counter argument is if they were so close to surrendering, why didn't they after we dropped the first one. We literally showed a destructive power unequal to any man made object ever created and they were still iffy.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
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i've answered pretty much every question directly



Except for the one that you deflected from just now.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 3:59 pm to
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Your certainty that those bombs didn't save a single American life show just how ignorant you are.


and your certainty that it did shows how ignorant you are.

the head of the Allied command said Japan was beaten and the bombings were completely unnecessary.



You realize these two positions are not mutually exclusive, right?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:00 pm to
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One of the biggest reasons the Japanese refused to surrender, is that until right before the bomb was dropped, we wouldnt even entertain terms where the Emperor system survived.


and yet we dropped the bombs and the emperor system survived.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:00 pm to
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The easy counter argument is if they were so close to surrendering, why didn't they after we dropped the first one.


he will not have an answer for this, because he knows he's just arguing to argue.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:00 pm to
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You realize these two positions are not mutually exclusive, right?



yes

the point is that American casualties in the Pacific are not connected to the use of the bombs
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:01 pm to
Exactly what rules of war (at that time) did the US break during WWII?

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:01 pm to
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the point is that American casualties in the Pacific are not connected to the use of the bombs


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