re: Vader’s Model Desk: PzKpfw VI Tiger I (early version)

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Good stuff as always darth.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thankfully, it wasn’t a war winner.

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They never could make enough of them. That was partially their own fault though because they kept trying to to produce a myriad of different vehicles. And not only did this waste resources, it created a logistics nightmare for field units trying to get parts for a variety of vehicles. As smart and as good as the Germans are at designing weapons of war and fighting wars, they have no concept of logistics. That’s why they’re 0-2 in world wars.

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Fantastic as always!!!!

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Thank you.

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If only we could've made it through the russian winters the world would be better of today.

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Wait… “we”?!?

You’re German?

No, I have never heard of that particular book on Kursk, there are so many books on the 1943 Battle of Kursk.

But, I'm very glad that you brought up any book on this battle, because it is a PERFECT example of a very well-known WW2 battle whose "history" significantly changed from what we knew in 1965 compared to what we know today.

In fact, the evolution of the History of Kursk would be a great topic for a separate thread. For decades and to a great extent, even today, what we "know" about the Battle of Kursk was given to us by Soviet wartime propaganda. I really do not care to hi-jack this thread on your model by diving into the topic of how the "fight" to learn the truth about the Battle of Kursk was so very lenghty (it took decades) and difficult (any attempt to update or correct the Soviet wartime propaganda historical "facts" were met with immediate accusations of "You are a Nazi apologist, How dare you say that the Germans didn't lose hundreds of Tiger tanks at Kursk?"

It's really amazing to discover how distorted our knowledge was about Kursk for so very many decades. We really didn't know much about Kursk until only about 20 years ago when some dude FINALLY decided to STOP relying on secondary sources and went straight to the US national archives and took a look at the ACTUAL combat repair records of the ACTUAL German tank divisions for the combat days of Kursk. Only then did we finally know just how many tanks the Germans lost during the Battle of Kursk - yes, it is WAY less than what WW2 History said it was for more than 50 years after the battle.

OK, I've already hi jacked the thread. Sorry.

I recommend anything by this guy Nipe. He be good, homie.

LINK

Yes, we are on the same page WRT the evolution of the history of Kursk.

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Have you ever thought willing over your models to a museum after you pass so they don’t get destroyed? It’s been a while, but the USS Lexington has a huge room aboard their ship dedicated to all different sorts of WWII models.


That thought has crossed my mind. I’d hate for all these to go to waste after I’m gone.

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My only affiliation with them is that I have been there 2x, but the Museum of the American GI in College Station would be a worthy destination for your models Darth.

Their "specialty" is keeping armor in running condition, and they have an annual event where you can go an buy rides in various tanks, watch weapons demonstrations, etc. It's not a huge museum, but the collection is first rate! Museum of the American GI

Ha, ha. A Downvoter takes issue with my assertion that much of what we "know" about the Battle of Kursk is Soviet Wartime Propaganda.

See what I mean? Any effort to correct the record bequeathed to us by Allied Wartime and Post War Propaganda is frowned upon still today by many "scholars".

Guess what? This same phenomenon exists for World War ONE history, as well, on many topics.

Amazing job. My favorite tank.

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It's really amazing to discover how distorted our knowledge was about Kursk for so very many decades. We really didn't know much about Kursk until only about 20 years ago when some dude FINALLY decided to STOP relying on secondary sources and went straight to the US national archives and took a look at the ACTUAL combat repair records of the ACTUAL German tank divisions for the combat days of Kursk. Only then did we finally know just how many tanks the Germans lost during the Battle of Kursk - yes, it is WAY less than what WW2 History said it was for more than 50 years after the battle.

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You’re exactly right. The accepted narrative on Kursk for the past 80+ years is one of a huge Soviet success in stopping this massive German panzer thrust. But the truth is that’s pure myth. Yes, the German offensive was halted. But what halted it was Hitler pulling forces out, specifically the II SS Panzer Corp, to counter the allied landings in Italy. The main thing the Soviets achieved was to get most of 5th Guards Tank Army’s tanks destroyed.

That to this day is a tough looking tank.

D_V

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the 8.8 cm (3.5 in) KwK 36 gun (derived from the 8.8 cm Flak 36, the famous "eighty-eight" feared by Allied troops)

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I've heard this several times, was even mentioned in BoB. What was it about the 88 that created the fear?