re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...

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You haven’t provided how many Americans have been vaccinated

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He doesn't care about that. He is trying to say that because of the vaccine people with breakthrough cases have a worse case of covid.

He just hasn't taken the next step to realize why that it.

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I think the vaccine is just masking symptoms.

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Explain the biological/chemical mechanism by which a shot that is not room temp stable mask symptoms in the body weeks or months later.

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It is my understanding that the vaccine gives instructions (mRNA) on how to deal with spike proteins and does little to prevent the virus itself.

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Vaccines produce an immune response from the body by in some way mimicking the active virus without introducing an active virus into the body. This allows the body to recognize the virus later and already have an immune response plan to eliminate or reduce the virus' attempt to invade and reproduce.

In the mRNA vaccines mRNA is introduced to the body that instructs you cells to produce the same protein chain that is in the spike protein of the virus. Your body then has an immune response that it will hopefully remember if it encounters the actual virus later. No vaccines are therapeutics none of them actually fight the germs themselves, in fact they are gone from your body very quickly particularly fast for the mRNA vaccines. So not they do nothing to fight the germs themselves. They teach the body to fight the germ-causing infections. This is vaccine 101 taught at VERY latest middle school.

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It seems reasonable that there would be much greater odds of vaccinated people being asymptomatic when they catch the virus and unknowingly spread the virus.

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This is true for anyone with immunity whether caused by vaccine or by natural infection. People with immunity that have breakthrough infections are more likely to have milder symptoms or be asymptomatic that is the nature of immunity no matter the source.

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Was this by design? Is the masking of symptoms part of the plan?

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Again this is the nature of immunity but masking isn't the correct word, the correct word would be preventing. In that sense, it is ABSOLUTELY the plan to reduce symptoms. In a perfect world you would have 100% sterilizing immunity but that is very difficult with a mucosal virus.

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Everyone has dug their heels in with pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine, but none of us have access to any real un-opinionated data

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Sure we do. You just have to spend time reading the data from all the hundreds of studies available, due to the public interest the vast majority of them are free to read vs most of the time many of them are not. The problem is you have to be able to interpret the data which requires at minimum a decent understanding of vaccines which not being harsh but you don't appear to. So without the ability to interpret the data (which most people do not have) you will have to use the authors conclusions and maybe seek ot the meta studies. Outside of this you will need to trust a doctor or some other subject matter expert.

At some point you have to believe someone even if you have subject matter expertise. We do it in every facet of our lives.

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He fished out very specific numbers to paint a picture.

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Those numbers represent mortality in those who are fully vaccinated and then become infected. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If you have data that refutes this, then share it. I don’t blame you for writing this off, the numbers are absolutely terrifying.

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That’s what someone says who can’t prove the numbers wrong.

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Read all this really slow and think while you do, if you come back thinking your conclusion is correct your gonna get slaughtered.

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“NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.”

Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.

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In the mRNA vaccines mRNA is introduced to the body that instructs you cells to produce the same protein chain that is in the spike protein of the virus. Your body then has an immune response that it will hopefully remember if it encounters the actual virus later. No vaccines are therapeutics none of them actually fight the germs themselves, in fact they are gone from your body very quickly particularly fast for the mRNA vaccines. So not they do nothing to fight the germs themselves. They teach the body to fight the germ-causing infections. This is vaccine 101 taught at VERY latest middle school.

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This. Can everyone that uses vaccine in quotes please, please commit this to memory.

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Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.”

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I feel like he’s just totally ignoring this kind of important part.

And my experience is totally anecdotal. I’m helping with contact tracing at work (high school). We’re seeing some breakthrough cases but they’ve been mild or asymptomatic (mostly finding out through people testing their vaccinated kids when they find out an unvaccinated sibling is positive). I’ve had a couple of kids get hospitalized briefly, both were unvaccinated. A couple of parents have been hospitalized, they were also unvaccinated.

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Based on the reported numbers, 1 in 89.29 fully vaccinated Americans have died from COVID.

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This is completely incorrect.

Now if you are saying 1 in 89 of vaccinated Americans who contract covid die...I suppose that may be correct.

However, when you look into it a little bit, most Americans that are fully vaccinated are in at risk populations: immunocompromised, multiple comorbidities, or elderly. I doubt these populations if unvaccinated fare as well as a 89% survival.

Anecdotal as well, but my Aunt is immuno-compromised and has now had three shots. She is listed as fully vaccinated, but she has no protection because of a fricked immune system.

So yeah, immuno-compromised would be more likely to get a breakthrough case as well as more likely to die from covid.

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I feel like he’s just totally ignoring this kind of important part.

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I’m not ignoring it, I’m highlighting it.

It is still true those who aren’t vaccinated have .00002% of death. Much much greater chance of survival than those who are infected after vaccination.

It’s genetic lottery.