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re: (Update) Menendez brothers will be resentenced. Could be paroled immediately

Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:19 pm to
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They won’t go free. That would set into motion a huge snowball effect that this country doesn’t need.



They're going to 're-sentence' them and they will walk.

Watched the Dateline last week, one of the uncles said that they expected to have them both at Thanksgiving Dinner

Don't stone the messenger
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:22 pm to
It's so pitiful that a Netflix dramatization is causing pressure to be applied to our justice system to adjust sentencing for 2 adults that committed VERY premeditated murder then went on enjoying life for months after.

Their abuse is abhorrent, but they didn't kill in the heat of the moment. They planned for at least a week and blew their parents' faces off.
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:23 pm to
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there was no evidence


there is evidence
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:23 pm to
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there is evidence


there wasn't at the time of the trial

ETA: and regardless, had no bearing on the crime they were charged and convicted of
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:26 pm to
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there wasn't at the time of the trial



The cousin testified at first trial that Eric had confided in him about abuse. That testimony was not allowed in 2nd trial.


The "New evidence" is a the letter that Eric wrote to the cousin 8 months prior to the murder saying that "it was still happening"
Posted by The Goat
Right here, Chief
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:27 pm to
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ETA: and regardless, had no bearing on the crime they were charged and convicted of



I would assume I speak for most of us when I say ....

IF the Dad molested them, AND the Mother knew, I am cool with both of their heads getting blown off
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:27 pm to
I am kinda turn on this. The evidence of abuse isn’t concrete but pretty convincing. Particularly the bruising in one of their mouths

I’d venture to guess 99% of people in jail had shitty parents, or were abused as children

30 years in jail is a long time in jail for killing a pedo and an pedo enabler
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:28 pm to
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The cousin testified at first trial that Eric had confided in him about abuse.


not a lawyer but that is hearsay

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The "New evidence" is a the letter that Eric wrote to the cousin 8 months prior to the murder saying that "it was still happening"


and that sounds very weak, again, none of that factored into what they were charged and convicted of, as it shouldn't
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:28 pm to
Were they adults at the time of the murders? Yes.

Did they plan the murders for days/weeks ahead of time? Yes.

Did they try to get away with it afterwards? Yes.

Did they galivant around the country spending their deceased parents' money after they murdered them? Yes.

Did they blow their faces off with shotguns? Yes.





I'm sorry they were abused, they should never get out of jail.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:30 pm to
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they claimed abuse as a Hail Mary defense, none was ever proved and, iirc, the judge wouldn't allow it to be brought up in court because there was no evidence


But now there is new evidence including former clients of their father making the same claim and proof at least one of the boys wrote to a cousin about the abuse at least a year before the murders.
Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1337 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:30 pm to
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they claimed abuse as a Hail Mary defense, none was ever proved and, iirc, the judge wouldn't allow it to be brought up in court because there was no evidence

It was allowed in the first trial and there was a hung jury. It was disallowed in the second trial when they were convicted. There is a bunch of new evidence that has come to light since then that lends some credence to their claims.
I believe they were abused. There is evidence to support it. I believe the mom was complicit in it as well. But I also believe they had other ways out short of blowing their parents heads off. But just packing their shite and leaving meant they would have to give up the lifestyle they were accustomed to and they just couldn't have that. They wanted the parents' fortune. They weren't as smart as they thought and failed to get away with the perfect murder; think Leopold and Loeb.
With all that said, they have been in prison for about 35 years now. There are people who have committed first degree murder with much fewer mitigating circumstances than these two that did less than 35 years. I won't lose sleep either way.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16871 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:30 pm to
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30 years in jail is a long time in jail for killing a pedo and an pedo enabler



In a heat of the moment killing? Sure.

This was a well-orchestrated, pre-meditated, cold-blooded, point blank double homicide.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16871 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:32 pm to
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With all that said, they have been in prison for about 35 years now. There are people who have committed first degree murder with much fewer mitigating circumstances than these two that did less than 35 years.


Which shouldn't happen either.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:32 pm to
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In a heat of the moment killing? Sure. This was a well-orchestrated, pre-meditated, cold-blooded, point blank double homicide


So gary plauche deserved to go to jail for murder?
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16871 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:34 pm to
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So gary plauche deserved to go to jail for murder?



Deserve is a loaded word. Should he have gone to jail with our laws? Yes.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
82735 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:35 pm to
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Deserve is a loaded word. Should he have gone to jail with our laws? Yes.



this
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:36 pm to
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This was a well-orchestrated, pre-meditated, cold-blooded, point blank double homicide.


Exactly. I believe they were abused. However.

They weren’t kids they were adults. They could have simply left and lived their lives. And told the police.

Instead they wanted the money.
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Hopefully trump deports them


Posted by ChiTownBammer
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
1337 posts
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:38 pm to
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In a heat of the moment killing? Sure.

This was a well-orchestrated, pre-meditated, cold-blooded, point blank double homicide.

There are different kinds of self defense. To be fair, and for the sake of argument, are you supposed to lay there and wait for your abuser to kill you or maim you before you act? There are allowances in the law for this sort of thing. I'm not saying this is absolutely the case here, but there is such a thing as imperfect self defense.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:38 pm to
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30 years in jail is a long time in jail for killing a pedo and an pedo enabler


I believe it was alleged that mom was also a pedo with one of them.

I have mixed feelings about it. I tend to believe the abuse happened. The planning, though, is troublesome, though I don't know that they planned it for very long. Their "heat of the moment" was probably extended under the circumstances. The fact that they acted like idiots afterward spending money in extravagant manners feeds into a theory that they may have done it for the money. They were young and dumb.
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