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re: Undocumented Immigrants arrested for running a brothel in New Orleans
Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:59 pm to stelly1025
Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:59 pm to stelly1025
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Illegal aliens is the proper term....
FIFY
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:03 pm to Lou Pai
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On one front, the terms "illegal immigrant" and "illegal aliens" have been a part of our vernacular as describing what they are for a long time...people who entered the country illegally, circumventing the normal processes that sovereign countries around the world have generally used with border control for several centuries. Saying they are undocumented obfuscates the concept, and avoids the direct association with illegality.
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It's done intentionally by the media, politicians, etc.
Maybe it is done intentionally. shite, it probably is. But if you're too dumb to draw the logical connection from undocumented -> illegal, it's your own fault. Just a bunch of faux outrage that is completely tangential to the actual issue at hand. It's abundantly clear what "undocumented" means in this instance. "Illegal" can mean so, so many things, so your whole argument of it being more descriptive is far from the truth.
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The other day, I was undocumented because I forgot my drivers license at home.
You're documented, you just lacked proof of said documentation on your person.
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I understand you think you have me summed up, but I'm not a Trump voter or anything. Just not a cliché, aggressively average OT poster who makes himself feel better by building up a TD redneck strawman.
Which of us is building strawmen here? I'm gonna go ahead and say it definitely isn't me.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:12 pm to lsu2006
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Maybe it is done intentionally. shite, it probably is. But if you're too dumb to draw the logical connection from undocumented -> illegal, it's your own fault. Just a bunch of faux outrage that is completely tangential to the actual issue at hand. It's abundantly clear what "undocumented" means in this instance. "Illegal" can mean so, so many things, so your whole argument of it being more descriptive is far from the truth.
Because it's to take away from their culpability. Like it's totally not their fault that they broke our laws.
People who use that term don't think there is anything wrong with what they are doing. They don't care. But illegal immigrants are literally fugitives hiding from authorities, draining resources, not paying taxes, committing higher rates of crime, causing lots of problems for our country. They aren't just some poor souls who are victims of our incredibly generous immigration system. I'm not saying they are bad people and I don't have any issues with them culturally, but you're just being obtuse if you don't concede that the national conversation is being manipulated by idiocy like this. We need to call it for what it is.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:18 pm to Lou Pai
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makes himself feel better by building up a TD redneck strawman.
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People who use that term don't think there is anything wrong with what they are doing.
Just a quick heads up
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Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argueagainst—that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:21 pm to LucasP
Red herring alert. Non sequitur with a hint of appeal to authority
The idea is that there is a laundry list of posters on here that do the lazy driveby "YA BAW GIT ER DONE BAW" because there is an easy strawman that anyone who is a conservative or disagrees with liberal things is a redneck.
The idea is that there is a laundry list of posters on here that do the lazy driveby "YA BAW GIT ER DONE BAW" because there is an easy strawman that anyone who is a conservative or disagrees with liberal things is a redneck.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:23 pm to Lou Pai
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People who use that term don't think there is anything wrong with what they are doing. They don't care.
I don't have a problem with the existence of illegals. I just don't think they should have entitlements without paying taxes. I agree they are often a drain on the economy, but let's not act like they aren't also important to our economy. The blame with the wastefulness lies with our system, not the people that come here and don't follow proper procedures.
But again, let's face it. If you read "undocumented immigrant" and don't automatically understand that it means the same as the classic "illegal immigrant" definition, then your opinion shouldn't count.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:24 pm to Chad504boy
Illegal Aliens for correction purposes.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:25 pm to Lou Pai
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an easy strawman t
You keep saying that, and yeah it sounds great but I just showed you what Google defined it as. It's a quick read, check it out.
You just proposed to know how people felt about immigrants based on their verbiage. And those feelings were conveniently easy to discredit, that's the definition of what you're accusing him of.
I won't even get into a lot of your facts being just false, because honestly I don't care about this issue. But if you're gonna get all high and mighty about debate and dirty tactics, use the words correctly.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:25 pm to Lou Pai
Write if off how you want. You're the one who was using a strawman argument.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:33 pm to LucasP
Melt, CUCK!
If it was the first time I saw a poster on here doing that, maybe I was making it up. But I've seen him do that thing on here a couple of times, along with several others. Where you say "[insert conservative position here] YEAH BAW HELLFIRE. 'MERICA!"
Not sure what angle you are going for on this one, but if you think the term isn't deeply politically controversial, not sure what to tell you baw.
If it was the first time I saw a poster on here doing that, maybe I was making it up. But I've seen him do that thing on here a couple of times, along with several others. Where you say "[insert conservative position here] YEAH BAW HELLFIRE. 'MERICA!"
Not sure what angle you are going for on this one, but if you think the term isn't deeply politically controversial, not sure what to tell you baw.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:37 pm to Lou Pai
Gonna chalk this one up to my ignorance of the poli board. I just thought it was an interesting back and forth between you two until I saw you throwing around the S word. You're a smart guy Lou, you had a good point til you tried to discredit the arguer instead the argument.
I'll go back to reading and not commenting.
I'll go back to reading and not commenting.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:40 pm to Lou Pai
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If it was the first time I saw a poster on here doing that, maybe I was making it up. But I've seen him do that thing on here a couple of times, along with several others. Where you say "[insert conservative position here] YEAH BAW HELLFIRE. 'MERICA!"
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:46 pm to Chad504boy
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Illegal Immigrants arrested for running a brothel in New Orleans
FIFY
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:47 pm to lsu2006
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It conveys the fact that they are immigrants in America and aren't documented.
It's actually illegal alien, but whatever. I don't really care I just think it's funny how coddled society is.
It's hard to be subject to the laws of your adopted country when they haven't adopted you bc you are undocumented, which is illegal
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:47 pm to Scooba
Lol I was just about to say that, that shirt looks like what Academy workers wear, perhaps a look into their hiring practices.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:48 pm to lsu2006
lsu2006
Your reply is intellectually dishonest, but I think you did get the drivers license part right.
Your reply is intellectually dishonest, but I think you did get the drivers license part right.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:52 pm to Chad504boy
Doing the blow jobs that Americans won't do.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:59 pm to Chad504boy
Correct your title. They are illegal immigrants
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:12 pm to Turbeauxdog
PC is awesome
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:19 pm to Chad504boy
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like human trafficking?
If prostituition were above board human trafficking wouldn't be an issue here.
I fail to see why it's illegal other than Bible thumpers feeling the need to tell everyone else what they can/can't do.
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