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re: Turkish F-16 shoots down Russian Su-24
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:13 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:13 am to Jim Rockford
I was really hoping the pilots would be OK.
This entire situation would be easier to diffuse if they were.
This entire situation would be easier to diffuse if they were.
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Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:15 am to bird35
There will be no situation. Putin will talk tough, but realizes the Turks gave his pilot plenty of warning.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There will be no situation. Putin will talk tough, but realizes the Turks gave his pilot plenty of warning.
US just told Turkey "they're on their own":
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"This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the combined joint task force or Operation Inherent Resolve," Warren said at a Pentagon briefing from Baghdad.
"This is Turkey and Russia. This is their incident," he said. "Our focus is on ISIL. The US military’s feeling is our mission is to fight ISIL in Syria and Iraq. … That’s what we’re focusing on."
He clarified that forces the US has trained and partnered with in Syria were not in the area
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:27 am to MLSter
Just read this from the Washington Times....
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I wonder what would happen if a Russian plane were to violate Turkish airspace in an area where instead of Turkish planes, it was U.S. planes patrolling the area. There's got to be some established rules of engagement on this I'd imagine.
And this shows just how complicated and potentially dangerous the whole situation in Syria & Turkey is right now. On the one hand you've got both Russian & American aircraft launching strikes over the same territory in Syria. And on the other hand right next door you've got American aircraft defending Turkish airspace from those same Russian aircraft.
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The U.S. sent F-15C air superiority jets to Turkey to help it patrol and defend its air space. Col. Warren said no F-15 was in the vicinity.
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I wonder what would happen if a Russian plane were to violate Turkish airspace in an area where instead of Turkish planes, it was U.S. planes patrolling the area. There's got to be some established rules of engagement on this I'd imagine.
And this shows just how complicated and potentially dangerous the whole situation in Syria & Turkey is right now. On the one hand you've got both Russian & American aircraft launching strikes over the same territory in Syria. And on the other hand right next door you've got American aircraft defending Turkish airspace from those same Russian aircraft.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:33 am to RedRifle
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US just told Turkey "they're on their own":
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"This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the combined joint task force or Operation Inherent Resolve," Warren said at a Pentagon briefing from Baghdad.
"This is Turkey and Russia. This is their incident," he said. "Our focus is on ISIL. The US military’s feeling is our mission is to fight ISIL in Syria and Iraq. … That’s what we’re focusing on."
He clarified that forces the US has trained and partnered with in Syria were not in the area
That's a pretty foolish statement from him considering if it ever came to war between Turkey & Russia (which I highly doubt BTW) we'd be treaty bound to come to the aid of Turkey. Per the NATO treaty, and attack on Turkey from anyone is the same as an attack on all NATO members, including the U.S.
Basically what he's saying can be interpreted as saying the U.S will not honor it's NATO obligation. That's not the message that we want to convey to Russia because if it appears to them that NATO might not stand with Turkey, outright war, or at least retaliatory strikes, against Turkey just became a lot more of a plausible move in their eyes.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
Russia must have some shitty pilots, shot down by a Turkish pilot...? However, it was an American plane and technology they shot them down with... 
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 11:01 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:49 am to Hangover Haven
Russia's tech is crap. They don't steal tech nearly aw well as the Chinese.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:37 am to Hangover Haven
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Russia must have some shitty pilots, shot down by a Turkish pilot...? However, it was an American plane and technology they shot them down with...
watered down F-16 at that
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
Turks are reporting that they believe the two airmen to be alive and are currently in the process of negotiating their release.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 11:59 am to terd ferguson
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I could show those young punks a thing or two... like how to fill potable while blowing shite overboard and blazing PM at the same time. Now go get me some fricking coffee... black, none of that fru-fru creamer fgt shite.
So that's the extent of your knowledge, that's what the navy is missing out on by not having you...?
Career choices after the navy are slim eh?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:05 pm to slacker130
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A downed pilot isn't the same as a paratrooper in regards to the Law of Armed Conflict. It's legal to shoot a paratrooper and illegal to shoot an distressed pilot
Thanks... I always mess that up on my LOAC cbt
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:14 pm to Mizzoufan26
I'm a leader of men... a salty mfer who commands respect through awe and sometimes violence. I'm the guy who gets shite done.
If this were a test and the question was "Name 2 people who make oxygen" the answer would be: terd and God
If this were a test and the question was "Name 2 people who make oxygen" the answer would be: terd and God
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:14 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Russia must have some shitty pilots, shot down by a Turkish pilot...? However, it was an American plane and technology they shot them down with...
watered down F-16 at that
Come on now. You're an Air Force guy. You're better than this. You know (or should know) the F-16 is a purpose built fighter made for knocking other aircraft out of the sky. The SU-24 is not a fighter (not to mention much older than the F-16), instead it's an attack aircraft similar to the now retired F-111. It should come as no surprise that any half-way modern fighter, much less an F-16, could shoot it down, even if it is a "watered-down" version.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:19 pm to N2cars
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Russia's tech is crap.
Peter the Great knew this 300 years ago.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:25 pm to bird35
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Turkish Airforce shoots down Russian figher jet
I was really hoping the pilots would be OK.
This entire situation would be easier to diffuse if they were.
Don't look okay from this alleged video. Looks like a duck hunt of the parachuting pilots. 25 seconds in:
LINK
Alleged Russian pilot body surrounded by FSA in another :
LINK
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:28 pm to sugar71
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Turkish Airforce shoots down Russian figher jet
This is where the media kills me. It was not a fighter that was shot down. There's a huge difference between a fighter and an attack aircraft.
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:29 pm to Darth_Vader
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There's a huge difference between a fighter and an attack aircraft.
Welcome to every story ever.
There is a huge difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle
A huge difference between a pit bull and a boxer
A huge difference between ______ and __________
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:31 pm to Mizzoufan26
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A huge difference between ______ and __________
figher and fighter
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:32 pm to terd ferguson
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figher and fighter
The SU-24 is not really a fighter though.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 11/24/15 at 12:34 pm to Darth_Vader
But is it a figher? Because the thread title says Russian figher jet.
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