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re: Tulsa cop charged with first-degree manslaughter
Posted on 9/23/16 at 8:55 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 9/23/16 at 8:55 am to NYNolaguy1
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At this point I will wait for it to come out at trial. Personally I am leaning toward it being up, but the photos the guys on the scene are way better than from a helicopter 500 feet away.
It is a clever screen shot picked out by the victims lawyer to make it look like the window was up due to the position of the seatbelt. The fact that the "window" is clean except for a straight line of "blood" running down is impossible. I'll give it to them though, it's a genius move by the lawyers to be honest. Even if there is proof that the window was up, (crime scene photos, statements, etc...) many people will just say that the window was rolled down after or that other officers are covering for her. We are all entitled to our opinions though, and if you see it a different way I can respect that.
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 8:57 am to reggo75
quote:Except for all the other ones that weren't charged.
You must be joking right?? She was going to be charged no matter what. This is political maneuvering at it's finest. I'm not saying she is guilty or not guilty of anything. But she was going to be charged regardless of the evidence to appease the rioting and backlash of not even charging her with a crime. Any time there is a case that gets national media coverage like this, the safe bet is to charge the officer with something (anything) and then let the court decide whether they are guilty or not. This buys time to let things settle down.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 8:57 am to Topwater Trout
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It's BS if this is to appease the group that always cries they want justice meanwhile they are illegally protesting.
Honestly I think that assessment is a little premature (although it may turn out to be the case later). Fact is we don't know what evidence they have other than some crappy video and a few photos from 500 feet away.
I am not saying you're wrong, but let's wait for all the info to come out.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 8:59 am to NYNolaguy1
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but let's wait for all the info to come out.
I agree
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:04 am to Topwater Trout
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there's something that the DA's office saw that led them to believe they could stop riots by charging her
FIFY
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My point is that there's obviously something the DA sees that the OT may not.
Could be but unless its really damning like other officers on scene saying she really fricked up, or she incriminated herself somehow I don't think the video will convict her.
Well said. If they charge her now, the riots will calm down and lose their momentum. If they wait the proper amount of time to decide, they're risking millions of dollars in damages and wages. Like it or not, we are all just pawns.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:22 am to GeauxOCDP
quote:Or they just have sufficient evidence, why is that so hard to believe?
Well said. If they charge her now, the riots will calm down and lose their momentum. If they wait the proper amount of time to decide, they're risking millions of dollars in damages and wages. Like it or not, we are all just pawns.
Think about it, how many other of these incidents went without being charged? Now this one gets charged, and all of a sudden, so many assume it's to stop the riots.
Maybe they just felt they had enough to charge her, who knows.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:28 am to Byrdybyrd05
I don't think they could pay me enough to be a cop in this day and age..
Posted on 9/23/16 at 9:56 am to Topwater Trout
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What is the importance of window being up or down?
Because she is trying to argue he reached into his vehicle through the open driver's window. And clearly the window is up.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:00 am to NYNolaguy1
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I think it's telling that she was the only one to draw her weapon when the rest had tasers
Yes, and not one officer even flinched or showed any kind of reaction consistent with a threat. One of many factors to consider
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:04 am to GeauxOCDP
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Well said. If they charge her now, the riots will calm down
What riots?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
You keep saying this and it just isn't true
I posted a link with pics of all 4 windows down and sunroof open.
Quit lying through your tooth
hands down as well as windows
ETA: all you got is a down vote. I laugh at your no response.
I posted a link with pics of all 4 windows down and sunroof open.
Quit lying through your tooth
hands down as well as windows
ETA: all you got is a down vote. I laugh at your no response.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:32 am to zsav77
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Ability, opportunity, imminent jeopardy, and Perclusion.
Ability: does he possess the means to commit deadly force
Opportunity: is he within range to use a weapon
Imminent jeopardy: are you in fear for yourself or others lives
Perclusion: have you done everything in your power to avoid using deadly force unless it's absolutely warranted
She had basically one out of the four elements since it seems she was in fear of her life.
It's not a perfect system, it's reactionary, and has the officer at a disadvantage. But, it's the rules she has to follow and since she didn't, she isn't legally right.
thanks for sharing
I think the other officers being there will hurt and help her case. It will hurt her case in the fear for her life argument but it will help her case to discuss Crutcher's behavior
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:34 am to rsbd
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This was done to calm the masses, she will be proven not guilty at trial, lose her job and disappear..
agreed, charges are a political move
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:52 am to Nado Jenkins83
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hands down as well as windows
Compelling - those photos, that analysis and her fellow officers' corroborating statements are probably going to result in no indictment from the grand jury - or, at best, a quick return of not guilty from a jury.
May have been an overreaction, but I don't think it's criminal based on this - currently the best evidence we have.
Still have a problem with an unarmed man with a stalled vehicle being shot and killed by police, but if his behavior was erratic, unpredictable, uncooperative and impaired (by drugs, implicitly), then I'm starting to understand it more.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 10:59 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I think it's telling that she was the only one to draw her weapon when the rest had tasers
Why? We are trained to always have a deadly force overwatch when deploying any less-lethal level of force in an unknown situation.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:01 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:uh no. If they were all foourdown why is the front window area a much different color, as in lighter, than the others?
I posted a link with pics of all 4 windows down and sunroof open
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:09 am to LSUTANGERINE
It looks like the drivers window and sunroof are open to me. If you go to the 15 second mark of the video and watch in full screen it definitely looks like they are open.
Look how you can see the drivers seat through the open window and the passenger seat through the sunroof:
Look how you can see the drivers seat through the open window and the passenger seat through the sunroof:
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:12 am to terd ferguson
Also here (at 31 seconds) you can see through the open sunroof and window... there's no sort of distortion of his shirt.
And all of this is much, much easier to make out in the video than in these screenshots.
And all of this is much, much easier to make out in the video than in these screenshots.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:15 am to Ace Midnight
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May have been an overreaction
Understatement of the year.
Accident or not, she took a life. That much is not debatable. What bothers me is how police use their personal choice to accept a relatively stressful, and at times dangerous, job as an excuse for their poor behavior.
I think the charges are fair.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 11:16 am to terd ferguson
Thanks for the assist terd
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