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re: Todays edition of FAFO - You should back up when told to by a police officer

Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:48 pm to
“Can’t breathe”?

Tough shite.
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
4536 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:49 pm to
Pepper spray burns like a motherfricker.
Posted by rs_la
Member since Mar 2023
202 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:21 pm to
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I have no doubt that she’s a self important entitled child, but there’s nothing in that (incredibly short) video that would justify the use of ASR. That cop was being a thin skinned little bitch and will likely get disciplined for improper use of force.


Someone doesn’t understand the force continuum or “lawful order.”
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:29 pm to
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Someone doesn’t understand the force continuum or “lawful order.”

Hm… at least interesting adjacent, being you’re familiar with the terminology at play.

Do you see anything in that video that would justify moving straight from verbal command to ASR without first attempting either soft or hard hands on restraint? I don’t, which is the reasoning behind my position. But if I’m missing something that you’re seeing, I don’t mind being corrected
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45195 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:32 pm to
Maybe he didn't have time to tell her to back the frick up 14 times, or buy her a doughnut and a hot cup of frappawhacko. Back up means back up after once. No begging required.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
128778 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:34 pm to
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How’s that boot taste?


I will never know because im not stupid enough to antagonize cops
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31400 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 7:35 pm to
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Maybe he didn't have time to tell her to back the frick up 14 times, or buy her a doughnut and a hot cup of frappawhacko. Back up means back up after once. No begging required.

That’s not how the use of force continuum works. You don’t get to skip levels simply because you tried previous levels a bunch of times. There has to be some exigency to jump levels, and I just don’t see one here.
Posted by LSU_postman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
2932 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:17 pm to
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Aw look, it’s the repressed homosexuals choking out gay insults again. How cute


Licking boots is not gay?

My insults are worse because ::gay:::

Geeze what a fig you are.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
31863 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:28 pm to
I love when people scream “I can’t breathe”.

You screaming, you breathing…
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 8:29 pm
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:30 pm to
That video made my day
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:30 pm to
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I'd rather get clocked than get that much bear spray in my face.

It's equally as bad as getting kicked directly in the nuts by an NFL kicker.
Posted by LSU_postman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
2932 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:21 pm to
This is the dumb count that the white knight in this thread is defending. This is what happened right before she got sprayed in the face

X.com link to moments before bear spray
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 11:34 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104136 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:25 pm to
The Jan 6 rioters should have stayed home and kept their mouth shut. See how it works?

People's outrage is almost completely situational based on which team they support.
Posted by rs_la
Member since Mar 2023
202 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:27 pm to
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without first attempting either soft or hard hands on restraint?


“Hard hands” (assuming you are substituting this for “closed hand”) isn’t even in the progression for 99% of the agencies in this country, anymore. After a lawful command is issued, soft hands OR chemical agent is the next step…and, with a crowd, chemical agent is almost always the preferred.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
82860 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:26 pm to
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Can’t breathe??? Bitch how you keep talking then??


George Floyd was able to talk without breathing. Only person to ever pull that off but he did it.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
82860 posts
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:28 pm to
I’m sure she insufferable and would probably cry rape afterwards, but she looks like a good frick
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31400 posts
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:36 am to
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“Hard hands” (assuming you are substituting this for “closed hand”) isn’t even in the progression for 99% of the agencies in this country, anymore. After a lawful command is issued, soft hands OR chemical agent is the next step…and, with a crowd, chemical agent is almost always the preferred.

No, hard and soft were modifying “hands on” restraint. Some manuals refer to it as open hand. Baton Rouge’s does not, which is the general order I’m most familiar with. As you say, closed hand isn’t on BRPD’s continuum.

It would surprise me to hear that any department places open hand restraint and ASR on the same level of the continuum. If you have any examples, I would be interested to see them. Further, I would be interested to see how the crowd escalation you’ve seen is framed, because it would surprise me to hear that ASR would be authorized simply as a dispersal tactic against a fairly loose group like we saw in the video without ever attempting hands on restraint.

Speaking of the video, when I watched it again just before this post, I noticed something I hadn’t before, and now I think I know why it was hard cut where it was: the officer starts moving backwards just before using ASR. I have a sneaking suspicion he’s walking away. If I’m correct in that interpretation, any fine distinctions you and I might be inclined to make go out the window pretty quickly in favor of a “yeah, definitely not a reasonable use of force and now we are probably tacking on a couple of other violations as well” territory.

But I would curious if you view those last moments the way I do.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31400 posts
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:40 am to
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This is the dumb count that the white knight in this thread is defending. This is what happened right before she got sprayed in the face X.com link to moments before bear spray

White knight? Defending? I started my first post by insulting her. Is your brain that eaten up by politics, or is this some pathetic incel energy you’ve got going on?

Also, I tried to watch what you posted, but it’s saying the link doesn’t work.

ETA: going to try embedding it to see if that makes it work…

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Hold up, that’s your contribution to a discussion regarding proper use of force? Holy fricking shite, that’s pathetic
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 8:02 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31400 posts
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:58 am to
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Found a slightly longer video, and yeah… I would be genuinely shocked to see any manual/order that would justify the use of ASR in that circumstance. That deployment of ASR served no purpose in either dispersal or restraint. The officer was likely frustrated and wanted to punish her for it.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24547 posts
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:08 am to
How many people did you apologize to today for being white?
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