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re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:12 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:12 pm to LegendInMyMind
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how can anyone say the composite material wasn't a viable material?
This catastrophe is how. Are you retarded?
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:20 pm to GeauxZone90
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No according to news the boy was scared but did it for his dad on fathers day
Realistically how the frick does anyone know how the boy was feeling? Is his mom or someone closely related doing interviews? Not that I know of
Also people ITT acting like these guys heard a noise then immediately knew it meant the sub was gonna implode and result in certain death. If It was only ~15 minutes of noise if that even happened and while they may have considered the possibility of an implosion it was prolly mostly wondering wtf the noise was especially for everyone but the CEO bc nobody else had much knowledge of deep sea diving that I'm aware of
Now, if a distress signal was sent from the sub then that changes things on that front a bit but I haven't seen any confirmation of that just rumors though in fairness I haven't looked that hard
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:23 pm to TigerIron
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quote: National security interests seems like. Secret underwater listening technology That we needed to keep secret for 4 more days?
Military people making these decisions are smarter than me but the only way it makes sense to me is they delayed it so other nations couldn't see which assets were in the area and therefore it would reveal those assets's potential capabilities
Idk, I'm reaching here I don't really get it either. If it's in the national security interest not to reveal it one day hard to tell what's different about 4 days later
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@jackposobiec BREAKING: US Navy detected Titan implosion on SUNDAY, but Biden admin only released news on Thursday AFTER Hunter plea deal and whistleblower reports released.
Welp, I guess disregard my inability to find a reason. Also please don't let my post turn this into a political shitshow thread
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:28 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Military people making these decisions are smarter than me but the only way it makes sense to me is they delayed it so other nations couldn't see which assets were in the area and therefore it would reveal those assets's potential capabilities
Idk, I'm reaching here I don't really get it either. If it's in the national security interest not to reveal it one day hard to tell what's different about 4 days later
Dr Robert Ballard was actually on a secret military mission to explore the sunken nuclear subs Scorpion and Thresher when he discovered the Titanic so maybe they had some stuff going on out there?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
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can anyone say the composite material wasn't a viable material?
You're right, it imploded because they built it too strong.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 1:55 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Is his mom or someone closely related doing interviews? Not that I know of
His Aunt.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:01 pm to Tiger in Gatorland
quote:the navy and coast guard were going to be on the clock if this never happened.... now they got to do actual work rather than training drills.
ow who gets the bill for the search operation by the Coast Guard and Navy?
Oh wait….you and I do as American taxpayers.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:02 pm to Tortious
Another article says she's been estranged from her family for several years so I don't know how much stock to put in what she says.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:03 pm to gumbo2176
quote:all their government would need to do in the requirement to get the permit to climb, is have a quota of trash each climber has to bring back.
Seeing videos of those base camp areas is sickening with literally tons of trash strewn all over the mountainside, and no plans to remove any of it as far as I know.
All of this for the sake of the almighty dollar with these so-called mountaineer/explorers paying tens of thousands of dollars each to even attempt the climb.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:05 pm to LegendInMyMind
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My guess is that someone like James Cameron understands this better than you. Watch his explanation -- I provided the link with an edit. I guess you got me. A dozen trips to depth on a rig built by a dude who cut corners on everything means it wasn't a viable option.
I feel like yall are Talking past each other
Can the carbon material work? Yes. That much is obvious. Will it degrade over time much like most if not all other materials and eventually not work? Yes that much is obvious though it sounds likely if you tested it properly you could at least stop diving before a catastrophe
I can't surmise Cameron's logic but he seemed to think the carbon fiber would simply degrade too quickly for it to be a viable solution. He said it, not me, and he knows way more than me but that doesn't make him 100% accurate about everything
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:06 pm to CarRamrod
There have been trash removal expeditions but it's a drop in the bucket.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:10 pm to Tortious
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His Aunt
I stand corrected
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Another article says she's been estranged from her family for several years so I don't know how much stock to put in what she says.
Now this brings it back into question
I just wish we as a culture wouldn't dive into speculating about the mental state of such a young person 5 minutes after they were turned to a vapor. Who gives a shite? It's an awful event regardless. Such speculation leads to what amounts to rumors and gossip. The kid is dead, that's awful regardless of whether he was scared or not
I know I'm trying to push a boulder up a mountain with this I just get tired of certain aspects of how we react to this kind of shite
This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:14 pm to Jim Rockford
Carbon fiber may very well be viable, but possibly not in the composition they designed. We don't know what caused the failure here, and we can't correlate past successful dives with their carbon fiber being a viable material. My concern was merely they didn't do any kind of testing to determine if stress reversals due to pressure changes had adverse effects on the integrity of the material.
I think it was a huge mistake to not test the material thoroughly through multiple dive tests before going operational. 400 atmospheres of pressure is no joke.
I think it was a huge mistake to not test the material thoroughly through multiple dive tests before going operational. 400 atmospheres of pressure is no joke.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:16 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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, if anyone was above where it happened, they'd have seen a roiling surface for a bit.
I don't think you have a grasp of how deep they were, how small they were, and what a small ripple that would've made on the surface of a rolling ocean at the moment the air reached it. And that's IF someone was even within sight of it
Further, it wasn't an explosion. If reports about instant incineration are correct, and there's no reason to say they aren't, any air inside would be burnt up. Nothing is rising to the surface. The weight of the ocean collapses everything and whatever is left sinks.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:18 pm to DakIsNoLB
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I think it was a huge mistake to not test the material thoroughly through multiple dive tests before going operational. 400 atmospheres of pressure is no joke.
Some are saying it's not possible to test the materials it was made out of properly.
I have no idea if that's true or not
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:19 pm to waiting4saturday
quote:but with a FOS of 3, amirite?
That’s true- the marine director they fired brought that up. The company that made the window only rated it for 1,300m
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:20 pm to CarRamrod
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all their government would need to do in the requirement to get the permit to climb, is have a quota of trash each climber has to bring back.
That is something they actually have now but we are talking years of accumulation at this point.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:21 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Some are saying it's not possible to test the materials it was made out of properly.
I have no idea if that's true or not
Proper testing for something like this is destructive. OceanGate would have to essentially build out a sub for the sole purpose of testing it past its limits so that they would know what the limits are as designed. I'm getting the feeling they elected not to do that.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:22 pm to Wishnitwas1998
There had to be non-destructive testing devices (radiography, ultrasonic to name two) that would qualify to assess the condition of the internal structural matrix of the material. Structural steel, concrete, and welds for sure have these options.
I'd be surprised to hear they really couldn't, but, if they really couldn't, then it should have never gone operational. Thin-walled pressure vessels for both flight and submersion all have their hull materials tested thoroughly.
I'd be surprised to hear they really couldn't, but, if they really couldn't, then it should have never gone operational. Thin-walled pressure vessels for both flight and submersion all have their hull materials tested thoroughly.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 2:22 pm to CarRamrod
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but with a FOS of 3, amirite?
That's nothing for an elevator design, and isn't a sub basically a big ocean elevator?
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