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re: Three LSU Phi Mu's die in helicopter crash with billionaire Chris Cline
Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:06 pm to Happygilmore
Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:06 pm to Happygilmore
Corky is talking out of his arse
The pilot was a decorated former RAF guy
How many billionaires own luxury Helos and hire inexperienced pilots to fly them?
Not to mention they had two pilots and one of them was also a mechanic
Seems like they took off low and never really got up according to witnesses
Seven people is pretty inconsequential to a bird that size, sort of indicates some sort of mechanical problem
Crashed two miles from the pad in 16 feet of water, never even had a chance to turn around
From the looks of the damage he had speed but no altitude, they hit nose down very hard and probably flipped over
Terrible tragedy
The pilot was a decorated former RAF guy
How many billionaires own luxury Helos and hire inexperienced pilots to fly them?
Not to mention they had two pilots and one of them was also a mechanic
Seems like they took off low and never really got up according to witnesses
Seven people is pretty inconsequential to a bird that size, sort of indicates some sort of mechanical problem
Crashed two miles from the pad in 16 feet of water, never even had a chance to turn around
From the looks of the damage he had speed but no altitude, they hit nose down very hard and probably flipped over
Terrible tragedy
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:13 pm to JudgeHolden
Nose was torn up, tail boom was ripped off, rotors were ripped off too
LOUD BOP the witnesses heard was probably the bird flipping over after going nose down into the water with crushing speed
Hope none of them drowned, better if they all died instantly from broken necks and blacked out
Drowning upside down in the darkness has to be an all time terrible way to die
Pilot still had his hand glued to the stick even in death
LOUD BOP the witnesses heard was probably the bird flipping over after going nose down into the water with crushing speed
Hope none of them drowned, better if they all died instantly from broken necks and blacked out
Drowning upside down in the darkness has to be an all time terrible way to die
Pilot still had his hand glued to the stick even in death
Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:45 pm to supatigah
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they hit nose down very hard and probably flipped over
What mechanical failure would cause that? Main rotor separation? Complete tail boom failure?
Loss of tail rotor alone would mean a flat spin, right?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:08 pm to JudgeHolden
No idea
The Helo technical forum is way over my head
Looks like he took off fast and low, maybe corky is right on pilot error but lack of training and experience is highly unlikely with a 52 yr old former RAF guy who flies that route routinely day and night
They said something on the tech forum early on about a simple error or some unexpected problem could cause both pilots to look away and fast and low means no margin for stick error. I don’t buy it, because it seems like in the dark altitude is your friend and he didn’t go up, he went out first. Very strange
The Helo technical forum is way over my head
Looks like he took off fast and low, maybe corky is right on pilot error but lack of training and experience is highly unlikely with a 52 yr old former RAF guy who flies that route routinely day and night
They said something on the tech forum early on about a simple error or some unexpected problem could cause both pilots to look away and fast and low means no margin for stick error. I don’t buy it, because it seems like in the dark altitude is your friend and he didn’t go up, he went out first. Very strange
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:15 pm to JudgeHolden
On another note, from my years of working GOM you could always tell military combat pilots vs non combat or civilian pilots. The non-combat guys would lift straight up and then tilt forward. Gunship guys like to get up a little and immediately go forward. They don’t really do the “hop and fall” technique any more. If they can’t get up off the pad they put down and start dropping weight. I have done the hop and fall in old B models too many times and it always scared the shite out of me.
I always figured the combat guys wanted to get away from the crane/Derrick ASAP where the non-comb guys were more concerned about weight and lift. Had an old Vietnam gunship pilot tell me combat pilots are used to going forward fast. Going up makes you a target. I guess old habits die hard.
I always figured the combat guys wanted to get away from the crane/Derrick ASAP where the non-comb guys were more concerned about weight and lift. Had an old Vietnam gunship pilot tell me combat pilots are used to going forward fast. Going up makes you a target. I guess old habits die hard.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:19 pm to JudgeHolden
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Also, there’s a big discussion on the professional pilot’s rumor network whether autopilot might have caused the crash. A good bit of it is over my head.
I'm not a pilot but I've flown tons of times offshore and would always watch what the pilots would do. I don't recall them engaging the autopilot until they were several hundred feet off the ground. Definitely further than 2 miles out after takeoff.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:25 pm to supatigah
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he non-combat guys would lift straight up and then tilt forward. Gunship guys like to get up a little and immediately go forward. They don’t really do the “hop and fall” technique any more.
In the 90's and early 2000's alot of those pilots in the GOM were Vietnam vets. I remember most of the GOM pilots lifting up and going forward. When I switched to overseas those pilots were French and they all lifted straight up and then tilted forward.
Some of those GOM vet pilots were a little crazy.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:29 pm to Corkfather
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Most civilian helicopter pilots will never fly at night in their entire career, much less over open water.
We always knew if you heard a helo at night there had been an accident somewhere.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:32 pm to redstick13
I recently flew, three weeks ago, on an old Soviet Era MI-2 helicopter that's been retrofitted with Blackhawk avionics. We were testing some new night vision technology. I went through 40 minutes of safety training on how to get out of the pilot, co-pilot and gunner positions, including if we flipped. Felt as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a rocking chair factory when I was flying around in that old aircraft.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:32 pm to redstick13
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Some of those GOM vet pilots were a little crazy
Understatement of the year
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:32 pm to redstick13
There was a story about a chevron pilot in the mid 90s that flew their Bocal under the catwalk between the platform and the auxiliary well structure on Vermilion 272A
He found out his wife was cheating on him and he was gonna go in and quit. I would have shite my pants if I was in that bird with him.
Guys on A and C watched the whole thing
I routinely flew with Vietnam guys, some of whom had crashed and loved to tell the stories. Their boredom flying taxis offshore scared me more than anything
He found out his wife was cheating on him and he was gonna go in and quit. I would have shite my pants if I was in that bird with him.
Guys on A and C watched the whole thing
I routinely flew with Vietnam guys, some of whom had crashed and loved to tell the stories. Their boredom flying taxis offshore scared me more than anything
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:33 pm to HubbaBubba
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old Soviet Era MI-2 helicopter that's been retrofitted with Blackhawk avionics.
Secret squirrel: identified
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:48 pm to supatigah
Those Bocals could make some pretty steep banks. I was flying out in one with just me and the pilot so I was sitting up front. He caught me off-guard when he banked that thing on approach. I was used to flying in Sikorsky and Bell and they definitely would not bank that steep.
Another time I was flying in from a Shell platform to Venice and again it was just me and the pilot so I was sitting up front with the headset on so I asked him if I could get some pics of one of the old sulpher platforms. He took us down close to the water for me to get some good pictures. Right when I'm taking pictures of the platform he tells me "hurry look out the front window". There was an enormous manta ray below us but we passed over before I could get a picture. I swear it must have been 20 feet or more across. He told me it was the biggest one he had ever seen.
Another time I was flying in from a Shell platform to Venice and again it was just me and the pilot so I was sitting up front with the headset on so I asked him if I could get some pics of one of the old sulpher platforms. He took us down close to the water for me to get some good pictures. Right when I'm taking pictures of the platform he tells me "hurry look out the front window". There was an enormous manta ray below us but we passed over before I could get a picture. I swear it must have been 20 feet or more across. He told me it was the biggest one he had ever seen.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:55 pm to Jim Rockford
If he was OGA, he wouldnt be talking.
It's a shame this conversation has already been sucked up by the NSA and he's about to loss his job and security clearance.
It's a shame this conversation has already been sucked up by the NSA and he's about to loss his job and security clearance.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:14 am to supatigah
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I routinely flew with Vietnam guys
I only knew one, and he was the meanest mf'er I ever saw. He insisted that I stand next to the pumps with the hose in my hand while he landed the chopper next to me for refueling.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:17 am to JudgeHolden
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I routinely flew with Vietnam guys
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I only knew one, and he was the meanest mf'er I ever saw. He insisted that I stand next to the pumps with the hose in my hand while he landed the chopper next to me for refueling.
I've flown with a lot of Vietnam vets at work, and knew several that flew for PHI and other companies in LA, they were some pretty cool and laid back dudes from my experience
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:25 am to 777Tiger
Y’all are really making me reconsider my heli tour of the Grand Canyon. 
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:27 am to Tester1216
Pics of recovered wreckage in this article. Will try to post images but am having trouble linking.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:30 am to JudgeHolden
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This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/8/19 at 10:31 am to JudgeHolden
Yeah nobody was getting out of that one.
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