re: Three Arkansas officers suspended and under investigation after video shows use of force

“Whatever is required to get compliance” is not the standard. Excessive means excessive.

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I hear you. I guess I probably wouldn't kill a cop but I sure as hell would get revenge one way or another if it wasn't the cops. I just don't see a way that you beat a cop with a baseball bat and get it away with it. I could beat Leroy Jenkins with a bat if necessary and get away it.

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I mean, how dumb do the cops have to be to respond to a little, frail, old lady (who probably didn’t weigh more than 100 pounds soaking wet), walking along the side of the highway, and while talking to her, not realize she didn’t have all of her marbles…and then slam her body to the ground and then up against the car for petty theft ($14 in merchandise)?

…and then laugh callously about it later with no shame?

I know the “replace cops with social workers” thing got turned into a punchline during the height of the Defund the Police call in 2020. And maybe that was mostly pie in the sky. But this is actually a case where, obviously, a gentler touch would have worked better.

Obviously, it’s too much to expect cops to spot the tell-tale signs of dementia and to not use excessive force on a frail woman.

Edit: what’s the old saying “If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.”

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That's not an answer. How much exactly? 100% being every interaction where a contact doesn't comply with every single command of the officer be it legal or not. 0% being, well 0.

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Ok how about 1 in a million?

There were 10 million arrests last year so there would be 10 incidents like this a year.

So I gave you a number. What is your number?

Again, you said “whatever is required to gain compliance” which is completely incorrect.

Use of force will change depending on the facts and circumstances, however.

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Obviously, it’s too much to expect cops to spot the tell-tale signs of dementia

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A byproduct of the "protect yourself at all cost" mentality that came with militarization, following the Gulf War.

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I have zero issues with this. You pull shite like this AND resist arrest??? frick you. You should be beaten viciously.
This coddling of criminals has gotten us where we are today.
I’m actually for shooting suspects that resist arrest. frick these cocksuckers.
And you Leftist snowflake addicted to being offended pussies can kiss my arse.

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Another moron that must think all cops are good people.

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think all cops are good people.

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Theyre just people. Not better or worse.
They're not superhuman.

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Excessive force is very subjective

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Yes.

And it depends on many factors.

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There were 10 million arrests last year so there would be 10 incidents like this a year.

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So you agree that the current numbers are extremely too high.

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So I gave you a number. What is your number?

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I already gave you my number. My number of acceptable instances like this is 0.

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Exactly, that's why you can't give them free reign to shoot people for resisting arrest

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If the perp is a mass murderer and if that person was putting people at risk., it would be closer to "not excessive" than if that person was a speeder.