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re: Thoughts on Public Execution?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 10:32 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 8/29/16 at 10:32 pm to UpToPar
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Maybe the number is much higher than 1%, I really don't know (no one does). I just find it hard to believe that the number of innocent people executed is greater than the number of innocent lives that have been saved by the deterrent effect of the death penalty.
I agree it's not possible to know the number, but what I can tell you is that greater than 10% of people on death row since 1973 have been exonerated. That's why it takes so long and we don't rush to execute. I'm also not going to deny that there is a deterrent effect of the DP, but in studies that have compared the deterrent effect of the DP v. life w/o parole, LWOP has shown to have a greater deterrent effect. That's because in order to maximize deterrent effect, punishment must be sure and swift, neither of which can be used to describe the DP. We can't speed things up because we can't get it right on a consistent basis (I know 90% seems pretty high, but I expect a higher consistency considering what it is)
Again, if you talking about taking the lives of someone under law, you better be able to make an A in the class. We can't.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 11:44 pm
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:39 pm to SEClint
Guess I'm not surprised by some of the responses in this thread, but it both saddens and sickens me to affirm how violent, immature, and backwards we are as a society.
I hope much of it is bluster and bravado, but I fear that it's not.
We call ourselves the most advanced nation in the history of civilization, but many of us are still Neanderthals. Many of us still call ourselves Christians, living in a nation under God. But are we now more like Romans?
To take pleasure in watching a man die, whatever his offense, defines a person as someone who does not value human life as our creator's nearest reflection.
I hope much of it is bluster and bravado, but I fear that it's not.
We call ourselves the most advanced nation in the history of civilization, but many of us are still Neanderthals. Many of us still call ourselves Christians, living in a nation under God. But are we now more like Romans?
To take pleasure in watching a man die, whatever his offense, defines a person as someone who does not value human life as our creator's nearest reflection.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:40 pm to SEClint
Don't want to live like Muslim country
Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:42 pm to tiger7166
That's too costly and too wasteful on completely useless parents, but public execution sends the strong message they refuse to send
Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:43 pm to ChunkyLover54
No one is saying to execute the various crimes that radical Muslims deem to be punished with death
Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:50 pm to Ford Frenzy
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No one is saying to execute the various crimes that radical Muslims deem to be punished with death
A poster in another thread advocates cutting off the hands of thieves, a penalty straight from the Koran.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 11:54 pm to Ford Frenzy
Public execution is a strong tenant of sharia
Posted on 8/30/16 at 12:01 am to biglego
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get what you're saying, but in every conviction the jury decided there was 100% certainty. There's not different levels of guilt. There's just one "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" standard. People are constantly being exonerated, some who have been on death row, and all of whom had been found super duper guilty
Well you're wrong but I kinda get what you're saying too
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Ryan Matthews Louisiana Conviction: 1999, Charges Dismissed: 2004 On Monday, August 9, 2004, Jefferson Parish prosecutors dropped all charges against 24-year-old Ryan Matthews, making him the nation's latest death row inmate to be exonerated in the last 25 years, and the 14th death row inmate freed with the help of DNA testing. Shortly after his 17th birthday, Matthews was arrested for the murder of a local convenience store owner. Three individuals interviewed by police were unable to definitively identify Matthews, and witnesses described the murderer as short - no taller than 5'8". Matthews is at least 6 feet tall. Matthews' court appointed trial attorney was unprepared, and unable to handle the DNA evidence. On the third day of the trial, the judge ordered closing arguments, and sent the jury to deliberate. When they could not agree on a verdict after several hours, the judge ordered the jury to resume deliberations until a verdict was reached. Less than an hour later, the jury returned a guilty verdict and Matthews was sentenced to death two days later.
Doesn't sound like jurors were 100% sure that he was super duper guilty. And most of the exonerated inmates have cases/trials that are very similar to this random one I pulled.
I'm talking about death penalty for people who there is zero doubt, either because they were caught doing it or plead guilty. If that means we only use the death penalty a couple times per year, that's fine with me. I'm talking about Someone like...
Posted on 8/30/16 at 12:25 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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Doesn't sound like jurors were 100% sure that he was super duper guilty.
Well, reluctantly or not, the jury deemed him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. I'd say the jury failed to do its job, but then again...this is what juries do. They sometimes frick up, just like everyone else who is human. And many, if not most, criminal trials are like this. It's relatively rare for a murder to be video taped in HD or to have definitive DNA.
There aren't different levels of guilt, but maybe there should be. Because yeah, sometimes there truly is zero doubt. I wouldn't mind seeing those types executed, I'm just saying the current framework doesn't allow for it.
Although in Louisiana, it is true a capital verdict at least requires unanimity but in other states all crimes require unanimity.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 12:27 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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f that means we only use the death penalty a couple times per year, that's fine with me. I'm talking about Someone like...
I think that's about how much it's used now. A little more in Texas, maybe.
I don't know if death penalty deters crime, but if it CAN, it has to be used publicly and more often.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 1:13 am to UpToPar
For anyone to think that some piece of shite low life has ever thought "oh no I'm not going to commit this heinous act because they have the death penalty and not just life in prison" is a fricking moron.... The death penalty enacted has not prevented a single capital crime 
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:32 am to SEClint
We should reserve public execution for crooked politicians...start with Hillary.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:39 am to SEClint
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Thoughts on Public Execution?
Should be done during halftime of NFL games; ratings would soar!
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:41 am to SuperSaint
Does any punishment prevent capital crime?
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:43 am to SEClint
I've said on here for years we should bring it back to courthouses town squares and make it a family affair.
Sell ice cold beer and jambalaya and hot dogs.
Hell I'd print up tshirts to hand out.
Things would change if I were in charge.
Sell ice cold beer and jambalaya and hot dogs.
Hell I'd print up tshirts to hand out.
Things would change if I were in charge.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:45 am to F16HT1N6 T163R5
Such a good god you have. All the suffering, disease, murder, rape, etc etc etc. he deserves our praise and worship.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 7:45 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Does any punishment prevent capital crime?
Sure....capital punishment prevents the perp from ever committing another crime
Posted on 8/30/16 at 8:14 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Bring back the electric chair. Broadcast it "Live"on Saturday nights after 11:00pm. Most small children SHOULD be in bed. I bet the number of violent crimes goes down sharply after the brothas see one of their own bouncing around in the electric chair for a couple minutes. For pedophiles, castrate them for their first offense. Second offense they get the chair. Hell sell advertisements.....this weeks executions brought to you by ...Smokey-Bones Grillin Sauce.
Posted on 8/30/16 at 8:46 am to vtdad
This. And pregame it with a memorial on the victims.
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